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How the Slavic migration reshaped Central and Eastern Europe
- dvh 1y ago> our genetic results offer the first concrete clues to the formation of Slavic ancestry—pointing to a likely origin somewhere between the Dniester and Don rivers Just like we learned in elementary school, 30 years ago.
- skrebbel 1y ago[flagged]
- Ygg2 1y agoSeeing how word slave is derived from Slavs, the snark is well warranted.
- GalahiSimtam 1y agoFunny they both originated from Sclaveni/Sklabenoi, just one of the tribe of south Slavs. But for the slave trade in middle ages, maybe you guys would call us Slovs (the jury is out on that)
- otabdeveloper4 1y agoThis is the accepted theory, but akshually there is no way from a linguistic standpoint that the "k" between the "s" and "l" would simply appear out of nowhere. The linguistics is impossible. The etymology deriving from σκυλεύω makes more sense.
- quibono 1y agoInteresting, could you expand on this please? What does σκυλεύω mean and how would this transformation work?
- polotics 1y agodispossed ennemy, captured, this makes a lot more sense indeed https://lsj.gr/wiki/%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%8D%CF%89 https://lsj.gr/wiki/%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%8D%CF%... than the notion "slav" would have somehow evolved "up" linguistically to get a "k" inserted. y'all know languages mellows over time, donty'all?
- adrian_b 1y agoTrue, but there always were people who did not believe this theory, claiming that there is not enough evidence for it. In recent years evidence has been accumulating that this was actually right, like the genetic evidence mentioned in TFA.
- orthoxerox 1y agoReally? I learned the urheimat was between the Vistula and the Dnieper. That's where rivers have predominantly Slavic names: Wieprz, Stokhid, Goryn, Pripyat, Teteriv.
- gethly 1y agoInteresting fact - Slavs are the largest white sub-ethnicity in the world.
- fbu 1y agoMore than Germanic ?
- gethly 1y agoGrok says Slavic 300M-350M, Germanic 150M-180M, Romance 190M-200M, Celtic 80M-100M, Uralic 20M-25M.
- personalityson 1y agoDoes this include US population?
- fbu 1y agoGrok could say anything. Isn't there a rule yet on just blatantly copy/pasting AI answers ?
- actionfromafar 1y agoGr0k wouldn't lie to you about race. Maybe the spacerace.
- helge9210 1y agoReminds me of a joke: calling a Slav white is like buying a "made in Vietnam" Rolex.
- keiferski 1y agoInteresting and timely article for me personally, as a Polish + Lemko [1] American. The other day I spent a bit of time diving into the DNA results I got back from one of those ancestry services. Apparently, while the vast majority of my results say I'm Eastern European / Slavic / Pannonian etc. (depends on the service), my specific fatherline and motherline are both pre-Slavic: one Celtic/Roman and the other Ice Age hunter-gatherer. From my own research and this article, this seems to be a rare situation? Or I guess the fatherline and motherline are still pretty small percentages, so that lines up with the "minor traces" mentioned. In Poland specifically, the research overturns earlier ideas of long-term population continuity. Genetic results show that starting in the 6th and 7th centuries CE, the region’s earlier inhabitants—descendants of populations with strong links to Northern Europe and Scandinavia in particular—almost entirely disappeared and were successively replaced by newcomers from the East, who are closely related to modern Poles, Ukrainians, and Belarusians. This conclusion is reinforced by the analysis of some of the earliest known Slavic inhumation graves in Poland, excavated at the site of Gródek, which provide rare and direct evidence of these early migrants. While the population shift was overwhelming, the genetic evidence also reveals minor traces of mixing with local populations. These findings underscore both the scale of population change and the complex dynamics that shaped the roots of today’s Central and Eastern European linguistic landscape. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemkos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemkos
- rubzah 1y agoDoes anyone know what happened to the original people of Poland? I.e. the article explains that almost the entire pre-existing population of Poland was replaced by Slavs around the 5th/6th century, but not through war or conquest. So where did all the people go, and why?
- lifestyleguru 1y agoIt was so shit an boring they simply turned around and left.
- tucnak 1y agospoken like a true Polak!
- keiferski 1y ago"Original" depends on what time period you're referring to, because the people before the Slavs weren't there for that long themselves. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations But in reference to the Slavic migrations, I think they likely headed west and south: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
- ivan_gammel 1y agoI don't know if it is connected, but 6th century is when the plague of Justinian happened and it spread to Northern Europe too. In 536 there was a volcanic winter, one of the worst climate-impacting events in documented history that started an ice age. Was a pretty tough time to survive in general.
- timonoko 1y ago[flagged]
- usrnm 1y agoSeriously? The first thing that came to your mind after having read this article was racism?
- timonoko 1y agoThis issue used to drive the nation of slaves nuts in the olde Usenet. There was also a Russian Scientist promoting this theory based on frequency of Finnic haplo groups, but he soon learned better theory in Siberian Gulags.