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And if as a requirement for allowing foreign workers into the US they had to train 1-2 US workers to their own level of expertise, would that be a fair trade?
by Avicebron 1y ago
And if as a requirement for allowing foreign workers into the US they had to train 1-2 US workers to their own level of expertise, would that be a fair trade?
- yladiz 1y agoIt would be impossible, a lot of the expertise that these people have would take years to train another person to have.
- behnamoh 1y agoSo your solution is to shut our eyes and let undocumented foreigners take the jobs that a well-educated American society could fulfill?
- mempko 1y agoShow me any evidence your Republican party cares about educating Americans. Are they supporting better pay for teachers? Are they supporting more resources to schools? Are they pushing for tuition free college?
- pylua 1y agoExactly. I’m not sure why this is a controversial take.
- yladiz 1y agoI didn't propose a solution, and I don't have one, just that the parent's idea wouldn't work in practice.
- pavel_lishin 1y agoThat's a lot of words to put in someone's mouth.
- mlyle 1y agoThis is one of those weird edge cases that comes from us having an incoherent immigration policy. We know that fitting out and commissioning these kinds of factories takes foreign workers who have the subject matter expertise on how the parent company does it. But we have a history of not providing proper work visas for it and looking the other way. On the other hand, if you don't let these people in, it's not clear how Hyundai gets a functional battery factory that's built like their other ones. The old policy of looking the other way was broken. But suddenly "fixing it" with enforcement isn't too smart, either.
- pylua 1y agoVisa abuse has always been a serious issue. Are you sure we have been looking the other way, or just not looking? With the latter, the crackdown we are seeing makes sense.
- mlyle 1y agoYah-- there's been no desire to enforce ESTA/B-1 visa restrictions for ordinary abuses, because we don't have a workable short term productive work regime. We don't really have a mechanism where Hyundai can bring over labor that can read engineering drawings and manuals in Korean to set up a factory and train local workers. Most countries have a short term, productive work permit. We don't-- closest thing you can do is L-1 (and often this doesn't work: you can't hire workers for the purpose or use contractors). Lottery based and slow systems like H-1B/H-2B don't work, and H-2B is intended for low skill labor. If we expect Korean and Taiwanese companies to establish factories, we must either provide a viable legal pathway for their technicians or accept the reality of ongoing B-1 visa violations. (I prefer the former). (Oddly enough, ESTA/B-1 allow receiving training but not giving it).
- Avicebron 1y ago> Oddly enough, ESTA/B-1 allow receiving training but not giving it Does this mean there is an equivalent in South Korea where the US could send workers on this Visa to receive training on how to build their (Hyundai) factories?
- pavel_lishin 1y agoHow would you even evaluate that?
- Avicebron 1y agofixed milestones with responsibility hand-offs?
- Balgair 1y agoAnd who is going to set those milestones and hand-offs? Sure, yeah, the USG can try that, but for the millions(?) of contracts you'd need over years of hand-off with red-tape and poorly paid 'refs' with no experience in the field and some dubious enforcement mechanism of fines or jail time? It's a totally unworkable system prima face that just ties things up for no reason.
- brendoelfrendo 1y agoThese Korean engineers and contractors were literally there to oversee the installation of new machinery at the battery plant under construction and train US staff on its operation, lol.
- reilly3000 1y agoWow who doesn't want Hyundai making batteries?