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That would be a good argument for Apple showing a warning every time it's powered on or something, but not for it refusing to work altogether.

leoh 1y ago
Yeah, but then you could just flash with a different ROM or something and prevent that warning from being displayed?
- shakna 1y ago
  If you could do that, you could just flash a new ROM to ignore serial errors, too. The checks are not entirely in software, and would not be in showing the error, either.
  - 486sx33 1y ago
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- areoform 1y ago
  Then what stops this "counter-measure" from "working?" Could they not just "flash with a different ROM or something" to allow the part to work normally? I genuinely doubt that the level of theft ever rose to a large enough margin, if it did, Apple would have pulled out of China. For reference, Apple employs ex-NSA, CIA, TLA professionals to solve this exact problem with a near endless budget and 0 oversight and accountability. Most notably, one of the organisational leaders was caught bribing the sheriff's office for concealed carry permits, https://www.ft.com/content/e73676d7-c6bc-4b07-b9bf-9bd702f1f437 https://www.ft.com/content/e73676d7-c6bc-4b07-b9bf-9bd702f1f... / https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/apples_chief_security_officer_facing/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/apples_chief_security...
  - jackvalentine 1y ago
    > I genuinely doubt that the level of theft ever rose to a large enough margin, if it did, Apple would have pulled out of China. There was a point where the black market in China was making more on Apple products than Apple itself. They initially tried to have stricter warranty conditions in China as a fix, but state media decided this was an affront to the country: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2271627/apple-clarifies-warranty-policy-in-china-amid-state-press-criticism-2.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2271627/apple-clarifies-wa... Hence, the technical fix. Why pull out when you can apply a technical fix and retain both access to the biggest consumer electronics market in the world and maintain the good graces of the country that manufactures almost all your products?
SchemaLoad 1y ago
The situation has changed recently for iphones. Parts are icloud locked now. While the part serial is registered to an icloud locked iphone. Any phone with those parts will refuse to work entirely until the part is either removed or the part is unlinked from the owners account.
- privacyking 1y ago
  Source? What message does iOS show?
  - SchemaLoad 1y ago
    https://support.apple.com/en-au/120610 https://support.apple.com/en-au/120610
    - privacyking 1y ago
      Thanks
- gorbypark 1y ago
  This would be the way to go if on the flip side any part that was not iCloud locked could be paired without hassles. Phone stolen/lost/etc? Parts unusable. Phone iCloud unlocked? Parts free for use. Of course this depends on mitigating various ways thieves can iCloud unlock stolen phones..I think the current method is snatching the phone while it's in use and iCloud unlocking it? However that doesn't make much sense since I assume you need some sort of password to do so even if the phone is physically unlocked?
  - SchemaLoad 1y ago
    The current way is forcing the owner to icloud unlock it at knifepoint. But I'm pretty sure Apple made a change recently where you have to wait a few hours and pass faceid before the unlock finishees.

leoh 1y ago

Yeah, but then you could just flash with a different ROM or something and prevent that warning from being displayed?

shakna 1y ago
If you could do that, you could just flash a new ROM to ignore serial errors, too. The checks are not entirely in software, and would not be in showing the error, either.
- 486sx33 1y ago
  [dead]
areoform 1y ago
Then what stops this "counter-measure" from "working?" Could they not just "flash with a different ROM or something" to allow the part to work normally? I genuinely doubt that the level of theft ever rose to a large enough margin, if it did, Apple would have pulled out of China. For reference, Apple employs ex-NSA, CIA, TLA professionals to solve this exact problem with a near endless budget and 0 oversight and accountability. Most notably, one of the organisational leaders was caught bribing the sheriff's office for concealed carry permits, https://www.ft.com/content/e73676d7-c6bc-4b07-b9bf-9bd702f1f437 https://www.ft.com/content/e73676d7-c6bc-4b07-b9bf-9bd702f1f... / https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/apples_chief_security_officer_facing/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/apples_chief_security...
- jackvalentine 1y ago
  > I genuinely doubt that the level of theft ever rose to a large enough margin, if it did, Apple would have pulled out of China. There was a point where the black market in China was making more on Apple products than Apple itself. They initially tried to have stricter warranty conditions in China as a fix, but state media decided this was an affront to the country: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2271627/apple-clarifies-warranty-policy-in-china-amid-state-press-criticism-2.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2271627/apple-clarifies-wa... Hence, the technical fix. Why pull out when you can apply a technical fix and retain both access to the biggest consumer electronics market in the world and maintain the good graces of the country that manufactures almost all your products?

SchemaLoad 1y ago

The situation has changed recently for iphones. Parts are icloud locked now. While the part serial is registered to an icloud locked iphone. Any phone with those parts will refuse to work entirely until the part is either removed or the part is unlinked from the owners account.

privacyking 1y ago
Source? What message does iOS show?
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  https://support.apple.com/en-au/120610 https://support.apple.com/en-au/120610
  - privacyking 1y ago
    Thanks
gorbypark 1y ago
This would be the way to go if on the flip side any part that was not iCloud locked could be paired without hassles. Phone stolen/lost/etc? Parts unusable. Phone iCloud unlocked? Parts free for use. Of course this depends on mitigating various ways thieves can iCloud unlock stolen phones..I think the current method is snatching the phone while it's in use and iCloud unlocking it? However that doesn't make much sense since I assume you need some sort of password to do so even if the phone is physically unlocked?
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  The current way is forcing the owner to icloud unlock it at knifepoint. But I'm pretty sure Apple made a change recently where you have to wait a few hours and pass faceid before the unlock finishees.