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>discourage theft Does it though? Are there statistics that clearly show devices aren't being stolen anymore because they cannot monetize them anymore? The wa
by arcane23 1y ago
>discourage theft
Does it though? Are there statistics that clearly show devices aren't being stolen anymore because they cannot monetize them anymore?
The way I see it the only thing this does is make you feel better the thief cannot monetize it, or use it, but it does nothing to prevent the theft which is really a moot point in the grand scheme of things. We end up paying in this way, of not having the freedom to easily and cheaply replace parts, while being comforted that even though they still are getting stolen from us, whoever steals them cannot use/monetize them. Which is quite primitive in a sense, and I do not think it's worth it. But that's just me.
- phoronixrly 1y agoYeah, imagine a world where people who are forced to steal are competent enough not only to know which phones they can sell, but to be able to guess the make and model in the middle of a mugging
- reaperducer 1y agoimagine a world where people who are forced to steal are competent enough not only to know which phones they can sell, but to be able to guess the make and model in the middle of a mugging No need to imagine. This actually happens with watches. In Hong Kong (and likely other cities), you can pick a watch from a "catalog" that is a binder of photos of watches on people's wrists in public, and the middleman will have the watch custom-stolen for you.
- aspenmayer 1y agoPart of me believes this is true. The other part suspects this is a fancy way to sell custom fakes with no refunds.
- seventhtiger 1y agoThey actually do though. First thing to learn when swiping is what's worth swiping, and if no one will buy an iphone paper weight then it's not worth the risk.
- jajuuka 1y agoYeah it's like saying "home invaders don't know if there is anything good inside they just choose houses at random." The point of the theft is to get something out of it.
- nwallin 1y agoI've thankfully never had my house robbed, or a cell phone or laptop stolen. I have had my car broken into. The thieves chucked a paving stone through the window, grabbed a backpack sitting on the passenger's seat, and ran off with it. Left the paving stone in the driver's seat. The backpack had my gym clothes in it. A T-shirt I was rather fond of, a pair of shorts, a few extra pairs of socks, and a shitty pair of sneakers, all were well worn. Replacing the backpack and gym clothes was probably $100, market value was maybe $10, and it was $507 to fix the window. (my deductible was $500.)
- fluoridation 1y agoI thought you were going to say "but they ignored the $100 textbook on the dashboard" or something. The anecdote doesn't demonstrate anything. How much of an inconvenience the theft was for you is not a factor for the thief. They got $10 by chucking a rock through a window, and they only lost the opportunity cost of choosing a different victim.
- seabass-labrax 1y agoThey had to take the cumulative risk of getting caught though - one well-targeted burglary to take a designer handbag or diamond necklace would earn that thief as much as the indiscriminate 'stealing nwallin's gym clothes' thief would make in a year, as long as they had the network to sell the contraband on without incriminating themselves.
- fluoridation 1y agoThat risk is there regardless of what they steal. The kind of thieves who break into cars are low-effort-random-reward. They have neither the patience nor the skill nor the resources for the kind of planning you're referring to. Yes, the bag didn't contain much valuable. A different bag might have. Had the thief known that for a fact beforehand they probably wouldn't have bothered. Outside nwallin's car: no valuables Inside nwallin's car: maybe valuables?
- niklassheth 1y agoThe majority of phones in the US are iPhones, especially in big cities where phone theft is most common.
- jajuuka 1y agoAccording to the GSMA last year phone theft (which arguably has much more part serialization and anti-theft measures implemented) has been a steady 1% of smart phone users worldwide. It does not seem these attempts to lock down systems are successful in reducing theft. https://www.gsma.com/solutions-and-impact/industry-services/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Phone-Theft-White-Paper-MWC-Vegas-Oct-2024_10_08_24.pdf https://www.gsma.com/solutions-and-impact/industry-services/... However I wonder if they have had an impact on data and financial theft. Which things like part serialization wouldn't affect but system security measures would.
- shuckles 1y agoIt’s a dynamic system. The number staying the same doesn’t tell you anything about causality or the counterfactual.
- userbinator 1y agoI suspect the majority of phone thieves don't care about the previous owner's data, they just want it wiped so it can be sold to someone else.
- mr_toad 1y agoAlternatively, without these measures phone theft might be a lot more than 1% of users. People get killed for less than a smartphone costs.
- tpmoney 1y agoIn the early days, iPhones being both extremely popular and expensive made them pretty big theft targets and Apple was getting pressure from the various state governments to "do something" about the increases in phone theft. At least according to NY and CA, the activation lock alone in iOS7 caused double digit drops in the iPhone theft rates: https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/20/police-say-ios-7-activation-lock-is-significantly-reducing-thefts-of-apple-products https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/20/police-say-ios-7-...