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There are zero politicians in the last 10 years (that I could see) that were actually taking the issue seriously. Some a little more seriously yes, but there is

by lazide 1y ago

There are zero politicians in the last 10 years (that I could see) that were actually taking the issue seriously. Some a little more seriously yes, but there is zero chance what Democrats have been doing would solve any of the problems that have been mentioned. And notably, they also couldn't defend the constitution when it came time. So it's a choice between 'delusional-we're-doing-good-everything-is-fine' and 'delusional-lets-not-look-up-and-blame-everyone-else'. The first group continuing to apply pressure in this non-working direction just made the second group inevitable. Pretending people aren't people, and don't have their own reasons why they voted the way they did is exactly what led to the current situation. It's the pendulum swinging. Now we'll get 'people can only be their worst (except me), punish them, regardless of the evidence'. Or as the old quote goes - "Democracy is the idea that the people know what they want, and deserve to get it - good and hard."

mschuster91 1y ago
I'd classify Sanders as one of the reasonable ones, as well as AOC. The problem with the Democrats is that they - especially on the local level - don't have that many young people running for them, so it's mostly old people...
- lazide 1y ago
  Both are good at pointing out flaws in the current plan of the day, but neither of them have viable plans of their own that I have seen (as in actually implementable).
  - mschuster91 1y ago
    Even if they have only small steps to offer, it's still better to walk these now than wait for years and years for a masterplan, while the destructive authoritarian forces keep marching on into the past.
    - lazide 1y ago
      If the small steps keep people from making actual change because ‘i’m doing my part!’ while accomplishing nothing? I disagree. Or do you think those straw bans actually helped, or just let people think they were helping by doing actually nothing? And how do you think all those people feel who spent decades faithfully sorting recycling who finally figured out it was all a scam and 90% of it just went into the same hole in the ground shortly after? I’m not saying I have some better master alternative - rather there is a reason the pendulum swings.
      - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
        > If the small steps keep people from making actual change because ‘i’m doing my part!’ while accomplishing nothing? I've heard this before, is there any evidence it's a thing?

by lazide 1y ago

mschuster91 1y ago

I'd classify Sanders as one of the reasonable ones, as well as AOC. The problem with the Democrats is that they - especially on the local level - don't have that many young people running for them, so it's mostly old people...

lazide 1y ago
Both are good at pointing out flaws in the current plan of the day, but neither of them have viable plans of their own that I have seen (as in actually implementable).
- mschuster91 1y ago
  Even if they have only small steps to offer, it's still better to walk these now than wait for years and years for a masterplan, while the destructive authoritarian forces keep marching on into the past.
  - lazide 1y ago
    If the small steps keep people from making actual change because ‘i’m doing my part!’ while accomplishing nothing? I disagree. Or do you think those straw bans actually helped, or just let people think they were helping by doing actually nothing? And how do you think all those people feel who spent decades faithfully sorting recycling who finally figured out it was all a scam and 90% of it just went into the same hole in the ground shortly after? I’m not saying I have some better master alternative - rather there is a reason the pendulum swings.
    - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
      > If the small steps keep people from making actual change because ‘i’m doing my part!’ while accomplishing nothing? I've heard this before, is there any evidence it's a thing?