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This argument (which I’ve heard many times before) is easily refuted by looking at YouTube videos for “commercial xxx harvesting” where xxx is the vegetable or

This argument (which I’ve heard many times before) is easily refuted by looking at YouTube videos for “commercial xxx harvesting” where xxx is the vegetable or fruit in question. For instance the carrot harvester that can harvest tons of carrots each hour: you could pay the driver $126k per year and the carrot price per pound would not even move 2 pennies at retail.

busterarm 1y ago
Not everything can be harvested with big machines. Pretty much all tree fruits, asparagus, peppers, etc are harvested by hand. If you want blueberries or strawberries that look nice enough to be sold to consumers whole, those are hand-harvested every time.
- shrubble 1y ago
  There are some things that are harvested by hand; even in those cases, you can watch a typical process and determine the small labor component. Asparagus for example is harvested in less than 20 seconds per bunch. Even at $50/hour that is a cost of less than 30 cents per bunch; which sells for how much in the store? 1000s of workers harvest over 9 billion pounds of apples every year-again the labor component is smaller than you’d think.
  - busterarm 1y ago
    Oh I agree with you. I'm not saying the labor component is necessarily expensive, I'm just stating the obvious that for many crops they are still human labor intensive. Asparagus harvesting may be fast, but you have to do it every day. You have to keep people employed throughout the entire season. There isn't just a few-week harvesting period. You can't just mechanize everything.
- allannienhuis 1y ago
  That last statement isn’t true. I know people with a blueberry farm that machine processes (with extra human qa step) blueberries packaged for retail sale.
  - busterarm 1y ago
    You can do some casual searching and find that I'm right about this in most cases. If your prices are high enough you can tolerate a lot of waste, but for most farms the economics favor hand harvesting. We're talking about at least 20% waste when you're machine-harvesting and even then a significant amount of what ships to retail has internal bruising. Maybe that farm is selling in an area where consumers are less choosey? I certainly prefer hand-harvested blueberries (and can tell the difference)... Certainly machine harvesting is an increasing share of the market, but it is still predominantly hand-harvested.
crooked-v 1y ago
There's plenty of food that can't be harvested by machine yet, and probably won't be anytime in the near future.
- sugarpimpdorsey 1y ago
  All the big brains in Silicon Valley can invent a bl*wj*b machine that is sync'd to a cloud-connected VR headset but can't build a machine to pick apples or tomatoes efficiently? Perhaps our priorities as a society are misplaced.
  - knowitnone2 1y ago
    you make it sound so easy - why haven't you built it?
  - JKCalhoun 1y ago
    Add strawberries and beans.
  - mcphage 1y ago
    > Perhaps our priorities as a society are misplaced. It’s also a lot harder. Blowjobs are comparatively simple, even with cloud-connected VR headsets.

busterarm 1y ago

Not everything can be harvested with big machines. Pretty much all tree fruits, asparagus, peppers, etc are harvested by hand. If you want blueberries or strawberries that look nice enough to be sold to consumers whole, those are hand-harvested every time.

shrubble 1y ago
There are some things that are harvested by hand; even in those cases, you can watch a typical process and determine the small labor component. Asparagus for example is harvested in less than 20 seconds per bunch. Even at $50/hour that is a cost of less than 30 cents per bunch; which sells for how much in the store? 1000s of workers harvest over 9 billion pounds of apples every year-again the labor component is smaller than you’d think.
- busterarm 1y ago
  Oh I agree with you. I'm not saying the labor component is necessarily expensive, I'm just stating the obvious that for many crops they are still human labor intensive. Asparagus harvesting may be fast, but you have to do it every day. You have to keep people employed throughout the entire season. There isn't just a few-week harvesting period. You can't just mechanize everything.
allannienhuis 1y ago
That last statement isn’t true. I know people with a blueberry farm that machine processes (with extra human qa step) blueberries packaged for retail sale.
- busterarm 1y ago
  You can do some casual searching and find that I'm right about this in most cases. If your prices are high enough you can tolerate a lot of waste, but for most farms the economics favor hand harvesting. We're talking about at least 20% waste when you're machine-harvesting and even then a significant amount of what ships to retail has internal bruising. Maybe that farm is selling in an area where consumers are less choosey? I certainly prefer hand-harvested blueberries (and can tell the difference)... Certainly machine harvesting is an increasing share of the market, but it is still predominantly hand-harvested.

crooked-v 1y ago

There's plenty of food that can't be harvested by machine yet, and probably won't be anytime in the near future.

sugarpimpdorsey 1y ago
All the big brains in Silicon Valley can invent a bl*wj*b machine that is sync'd to a cloud-connected VR headset but can't build a machine to pick apples or tomatoes efficiently? Perhaps our priorities as a society are misplaced.
- knowitnone2 1y ago
  you make it sound so easy - why haven't you built it?
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  Add strawberries and beans.
- mcphage 1y ago
  > Perhaps our priorities as a society are misplaced. It’s also a lot harder. Blowjobs are comparatively simple, even with cloud-connected VR headsets.