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I don't know. Personally I'm just extremely disillusioned about both parties so even picking between Vance and Newsom doesn't even registe as picking the best o

I don't know. Personally I'm just extremely disillusioned about both parties so even picking between Vance and Newsom doesn't even registe as picking the best of two evils. They both seem useless and out of touch with reality. To be fair, I know the least about Newsom, having never lived anywhere near California and well California doesn't exactly have any better a reputation than Florida or Texas do in my book. So I'll have to tune in late 2027 if he gets the nod. Assuming Democrats survive 2026 because frankly the party is at death's door and I don't know how Newsom is new growth. We already rejected one Californian.

everdrive 1y ago
Well, I don't disagree with you, but I think that your statements follow my point: is years of political information necessary to render a judgement on these two? I don't really think so. Conversely, if you were going to write policy papers for political organizations, you'd need some real expertise.
righthand 1y ago
How is the Democrat party at death’s door? Because it hasn’t circled around a single ideology like the Republicans have? Two years ago people were saying Republicans were on their way out because of the circling around Trump. The fact that Democrats are not consolidated is a feature not a bug.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  The Democratic Party is at death’s door because it is an opposition party in what is consolidating into a fascist dictatorship, but that’s probably not what the upthread poster is getting at.
- fluidcruft 1y ago
  To be fair I checked out of the news so for all I know Democrats are now thriving.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> To be fair, I know the least about Newsom, having never lived anywhere near California and well California doesn't exactly have any better a reputation than Florida or Texas do in my book. So I'll have to tune in late 2027 if he gets the nod Unless he is running without significant primary competition, he wouldn’t get the nod, even effectively, until sometime in 2028, probably sometime in spring, so you can’t really start doing something in late 2027 based on whether thwt happens.
- fluidcruft 1y ago
  No, the game begins in earnest late 2027.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    That...doesn’t contradict what I said. If you meant “I’ll have to tune in late 2027 in case he gets the nod”, then, yes that would be the relevant criteria. But what you said, and I responded to, was “I’ll have to tune in late 2027 if he gets the nod”, which is conditioning a decision at a particular point in time on an event which almost certainly would occur later.
    - fluidcruft 1y ago
      As I already clarified, I was not referring to his formal selection by the DNC at the convention. That was your interpretation and I could see how someone might get confused and think that was a reasonable interpretation in the context of this thread about checking out of the news for as long as possible. Frankly I find it somewhat odd that your response to the discrepancy is to lecture me about what I meant rather than to do consider that your interpretation was wrong... particularly after receiving clarification. To spell it out more explicitly: "getting the nod" is a reference to having the backdoor/bigwig/advisory/party boss support to risk formally throwing his hat in the ring and make a run for it. vs say... deciding it would be best to sit this one out to allow Harris to run... or some scandal or interaction with Trump having taken him completely off the table.

everdrive 1y ago

Well, I don't disagree with you, but I think that your statements follow my point: is years of political information necessary to render a judgement on these two? I don't really think so. Conversely, if you were going to write policy papers for political organizations, you'd need some real expertise.

righthand 1y ago

How is the Democrat party at death’s door? Because it hasn’t circled around a single ideology like the Republicans have? Two years ago people were saying Republicans were on their way out because of the circling around Trump. The fact that Democrats are not consolidated is a feature not a bug.

dragonwriter 1y ago
The Democratic Party is at death’s door because it is an opposition party in what is consolidating into a fascist dictatorship, but that’s probably not what the upthread poster is getting at.
fluidcruft 1y ago
To be fair I checked out of the news so for all I know Democrats are now thriving.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> To be fair, I know the least about Newsom, having never lived anywhere near California and well California doesn't exactly have any better a reputation than Florida or Texas do in my book. So I'll have to tune in late 2027 if he gets the nod Unless he is running without significant primary competition, he wouldn’t get the nod, even effectively, until sometime in 2028, probably sometime in spring, so you can’t really start doing something in late 2027 based on whether thwt happens.

fluidcruft 1y ago
No, the game begins in earnest late 2027.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  That...doesn’t contradict what I said. If you meant “I’ll have to tune in late 2027 in case he gets the nod”, then, yes that would be the relevant criteria. But what you said, and I responded to, was “I’ll have to tune in late 2027 if he gets the nod”, which is conditioning a decision at a particular point in time on an event which almost certainly would occur later.
  - fluidcruft 1y ago
    As I already clarified, I was not referring to his formal selection by the DNC at the convention. That was your interpretation and I could see how someone might get confused and think that was a reasonable interpretation in the context of this thread about checking out of the news for as long as possible. Frankly I find it somewhat odd that your response to the discrepancy is to lecture me about what I meant rather than to do consider that your interpretation was wrong... particularly after receiving clarification. To spell it out more explicitly: "getting the nod" is a reference to having the backdoor/bigwig/advisory/party boss support to risk formally throwing his hat in the ring and make a run for it. vs say... deciding it would be best to sit this one out to allow Harris to run... or some scandal or interaction with Trump having taken him completely off the table.