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And also it has a magnet to detect the lid being closed. People think this is over engineered, but I've yet to see another brand that has a working closed lid d

And also it has a magnet to detect the lid being closed. People think this is over engineered, but I've yet to see another brand that has a working closed lid detection

egypturnash 1y ago
The magnets also work great as a way to attach a sunshade.
- BuildTheRobots 1y ago
  The magnets work too well. Having one Thinkpad Yoga sat on top of another closed Yoga tricks the sensor into thinking it's in tablet mode and it disables the keyboard. I only lost 30min or so trying to work out what was happening... There's decent reasons to over-engineer some of these sensors so they can't be unduly tricked by external influences.
mouse_ 1y ago
Only ever had a Thinkpad lid close sensor fail once. Found my T60 heating up my backpack. Other than that, never been a problem. I've never once had a Dell/HP/Acer/Asus with a reliable lid close sensor. You can't trust those things.
- justin66 1y ago
  It's not generally the lid sensor that causes a Windows laptop to fail to go to sleep, is it?
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago
  If you're talking about laptops waking up inside backpacks- that's due to the terrible implementation of "Windows Modern Standby" that has ruined every laptop except Macbooks and Framework. (Framework still implements legacy S3 standby to improve compatibility with Linux.)
  - cubefox 1y ago
    > If you're talking about laptops waking up inside backups Presumably he meant the laptop didn't go into standby when closed or woke up from standby while still closed.
    - zargon 1y ago
      That’s what Modern Standby does.
  - craftkiller 1y ago
    > Framework still implements legacy S3 standby to improve compatibility with Linux. Just want to warn other readers: Not all framework models have S3 sleep. I've got the 7040 AMD framework laptop and it only does s2idle.
  - 3eb7988a1663 1y ago
    This has been an issue for so long - who is at fault? Is it hardware vendors or software? The spec itself is so bad that all implementations will disagree? Halting power until an external physical event seems like a simple enough idea. I have never wanted to close my laptop and let it keep number crunching.
    - numpad0 1y ago
      Microsoft. There's ~nothing to be gained by checking in with the Internet while laptop is closed, they implemented it anyway.
- geoffeg 1y ago
  I've also found my work MacBook Pro heating up my backpack sleeve a number of times because it didn't properly go to sleep. Likely culprit is some "security" spyware the company installs.
gruez 1y ago
>but I've yet to see another brand that has a working closed lid detection ??? I don't think I've seen a laptop that doesn't have closed lid detection. At the very least it's common enough that windows has a setting specifically for it: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/69762-how-change-default-lid-close-action-windows-10-a.html https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/69762-how-change-default...
- Analemma_ 1y ago
  With both Windows and Linux, it's always a luck-of-the-draw thing. Sometimes closing the lid works perfectly, sometimes you get a doofus manufacturer with lousy drivers, so 1 in 20 times you pull your laptop out of your bag and it's red hot with a drained battery. It's maddening that only Apple gets this right 100% of the time, and it's among the things keeping me on Apple's platform for the moment. I can't fathom why this isn't a bigger priority for everyone else: much like "trackpads that don't suck", it's a huge quality-of-life thing which keeps tons of people on Macs because they want it to Just Work without ever thinking about it.
  - modeless 1y ago
    This is not a sensor problem, it's a Windows problem.
  - gruez 1y ago
    >sometimes you get a doofus manufacturer with lousy drivers, so 1 in 20 times you pull your laptop out of your bag and it's red hot with a drained battery. That's due to "connected standby"[1], which is to have laptops behave more like a phone when in sleep. This is in contrast to S3 sleep, which basically halts all activity. Sounds all good in theory, but as soon as you allow code to be run while in sleep, it's easy for some runaway app (OS or third party) to eat through your battery even while your laptop is "sleeping". Worse is that there's no way to force sleep, so your only choice is hibernate, which is even worse than S3 sleep before. [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
leephillips 1y ago
The reality distortion field is immortal.

And also it has a magnet to detect the lid being closed. People think this is over engineered, but I've yet to see another brand that has a working closed lid detection

egypturnash 1y ago

The magnets also work great as a way to attach a sunshade.

BuildTheRobots 1y ago
The magnets work too well. Having one Thinkpad Yoga sat on top of another closed Yoga tricks the sensor into thinking it's in tablet mode and it disables the keyboard. I only lost 30min or so trying to work out what was happening... There's decent reasons to over-engineer some of these sensors so they can't be unduly tricked by external influences.

mouse_ 1y ago

Only ever had a Thinkpad lid close sensor fail once. Found my T60 heating up my backpack. Other than that, never been a problem. I've never once had a Dell/HP/Acer/Asus with a reliable lid close sensor. You can't trust those things.

justin66 1y ago
It's not generally the lid sensor that causes a Windows laptop to fail to go to sleep, is it?
trenchpilgrim 1y ago
If you're talking about laptops waking up inside backpacks- that's due to the terrible implementation of "Windows Modern Standby" that has ruined every laptop except Macbooks and Framework. (Framework still implements legacy S3 standby to improve compatibility with Linux.)
- cubefox 1y ago
  > If you're talking about laptops waking up inside backups Presumably he meant the laptop didn't go into standby when closed or woke up from standby while still closed.
  - zargon 1y ago
    That’s what Modern Standby does.
- craftkiller 1y ago
  > Framework still implements legacy S3 standby to improve compatibility with Linux. Just want to warn other readers: Not all framework models have S3 sleep. I've got the 7040 AMD framework laptop and it only does s2idle.
- 3eb7988a1663 1y ago
  This has been an issue for so long - who is at fault? Is it hardware vendors or software? The spec itself is so bad that all implementations will disagree? Halting power until an external physical event seems like a simple enough idea. I have never wanted to close my laptop and let it keep number crunching.
  - numpad0 1y ago
    Microsoft. There's ~nothing to be gained by checking in with the Internet while laptop is closed, they implemented it anyway.
geoffeg 1y ago
I've also found my work MacBook Pro heating up my backpack sleeve a number of times because it didn't properly go to sleep. Likely culprit is some "security" spyware the company installs.

gruez 1y ago

>but I've yet to see another brand that has a working closed lid detection ??? I don't think I've seen a laptop that doesn't have closed lid detection. At the very least it's common enough that windows has a setting specifically for it: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/69762-how-change-default-lid-close-action-windows-10-a.html https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/69762-how-change-default...

Analemma_ 1y ago
With both Windows and Linux, it's always a luck-of-the-draw thing. Sometimes closing the lid works perfectly, sometimes you get a doofus manufacturer with lousy drivers, so 1 in 20 times you pull your laptop out of your bag and it's red hot with a drained battery. It's maddening that only Apple gets this right 100% of the time, and it's among the things keeping me on Apple's platform for the moment. I can't fathom why this isn't a bigger priority for everyone else: much like "trackpads that don't suck", it's a huge quality-of-life thing which keeps tons of people on Macs because they want it to Just Work without ever thinking about it.
- modeless 1y ago
  This is not a sensor problem, it's a Windows problem.
- gruez 1y ago
  >sometimes you get a doofus manufacturer with lousy drivers, so 1 in 20 times you pull your laptop out of your bag and it's red hot with a drained battery. That's due to "connected standby"[1], which is to have laptops behave more like a phone when in sleep. This is in contrast to S3 sleep, which basically halts all activity. Sounds all good in theory, but as soon as you allow code to be run while in sleep, it's easy for some runaway app (OS or third party) to eat through your battery even while your laptop is "sleeping". Worse is that there's no way to force sleep, so your only choice is hibernate, which is even worse than S3 sleep before. [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...

leephillips 1y ago

The reality distortion field is immortal.