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When incidents like this happen, it gives credence to North Korean propaganda portraying the US as an imperialist aggressor.

throwawaymaths 1y ago
yeah, it's not like north korea doesn't do batshit crazy stuff like kidnap japanese/south korean civilians from japanese/south korean soil, or murder people abroad with massage artists given vx laden massage oil
- solardev 1y ago
  How does the masseur survive that massage?
  - throwawaymaths 1y ago
    Idk. I misremembered, it might not have been massage oil specifically. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-na...
kyletns 1y ago
The US is pretty clearly an imperialist aggressor? Latin America is littered with the bodies of those who didn't conform to US economic dictates.
- closewith 1y ago
  And Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lybia, Vietnam, Laos, any number of examples.
devsda 1y ago
"An X country's covert operations team landed on country Y's shores, opened fire on a boat in which an innocent fisherman lost lives and left" If X is Iran/Russia/North Korea/<current choice> and Y is US/UK/Canada etc, the whole *mainstream* media would be calling for war. But in this case, its just called a failed operation. Even if it was an allied country and the SEAL was caught, US would threaten the country with war to get the person back. US has always been an agressor to small countries, big countries, allies i.e rest of the world. Americans can accept the fact or stay in denial but it doesn't change other countries' experience or how they feel about it.
- varjag 1y ago
  If X is Iran/Russia/North Korea/<current choice> and Y is US/UK/Canada etc, the whole mainstream media would be calling for war Russia had killed UK nationals on the British soil in covert ops and exactly the opposite had happened. The establishment and the media categorically did not want this to go anywhere let alone to a war.
  - davidguetta 1y ago
    not sure why you are being downvoted, there are many cases where botched mission happenend even between allied countries and it's bad but never leads to war
  - Stevvo 1y ago
    The Russian/UK situation is a-typical, because they wanted to be found; Russia explicitly left a trail of Novichock as a threat/intimidation.
tkel 1y ago
Yeah, it's always been like that, South Korea today is absolutely full of US military personnel. The sight of US tanks on streets is considered normal. War is like the main industry of the US, it's very profitable to have military bases in 55 countries, with a $1 trillion annual pot to draw from. It pays well to force regime change and install friendly client states that allow labor and resource extraction by US companies. Oil in Syria, Oil in Venezuela, minerals in Ukraine are a couple recent examples. The nice thing about Trump is that he just comes out and says these things, he doesn't disguise imperialism like other politicians have. "We'll install Guaido if they agree to give us half of their oil", "We are in Syria for the Oil", "We want something in return in Ukraine, we want the minerals", "We want the lithium in Bolivia", "We want Panama", "We want Greenland", "Make Canada a US state", "turn beachfront Gaza into a Real-Estate investment", etc. But it goes all the way back to the Korean War, with the North having most of the mineral resources that the US is interested in conquering. This is a playbook that the US has used all over the world.
- SapporoChris 1y ago
  "Yeah, it's always been like that, South Korea today is absolutely full of US military personnel. " In 1952 there were 326,863 US troops in South Korea. Last count there is 28,500 US troops. I struggle to fathom any definition of full of US military personnel that could possibly be true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Korea#Number_of_U.S._soldiers_stationed_in_South_Korea_by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Korea#Num... "The sight of US tanks on streets is considered normal." I've been in Seoul over three months, I've never seen a military tank on the street. In fact, I've never witnessed a tank on a street in my entire life in any country anywhere. "War is like the main industry of the US, ..." Nope, not even close. https://axiomalpha.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Screenshot-from-2022-08-31-23-22-02.png https://axiomalpha.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Screenshot... "... it's very profitable to have military bases in 55 countries, with a $1 trillion annual pot to draw from. " US Spends over 150 billion annually on overseas base. https://www.mintpressnews.com/214492-2/214492/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/214492-2/214492/ Can you provide any source that verifies any of your post? I can't seem to find anything I can point to and say, yes this is true.
mfru 1y ago
Well, the US >is< an imperialist aggressor, no propaganda there

throwawaymaths 1y ago

yeah, it's not like north korea doesn't do batshit crazy stuff like kidnap japanese/south korean civilians from japanese/south korean soil, or murder people abroad with massage artists given vx laden massage oil

solardev 1y ago
How does the masseur survive that massage?
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  Idk. I misremembered, it might not have been massage oil specifically. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-na...

kyletns 1y ago

The US is pretty clearly an imperialist aggressor? Latin America is littered with the bodies of those who didn't conform to US economic dictates.

closewith 1y ago
And Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lybia, Vietnam, Laos, any number of examples.

devsda 1y ago

"An X country's covert operations team landed on country Y's shores, opened fire on a boat in which an innocent fisherman lost lives and left" If X is Iran/Russia/North Korea/<current choice> and Y is US/UK/Canada etc, the whole *mainstream* media would be calling for war. But in this case, its just called a failed operation. Even if it was an allied country and the SEAL was caught, US would threaten the country with war to get the person back. US has always been an agressor to small countries, big countries, allies i.e rest of the world. Americans can accept the fact or stay in denial but it doesn't change other countries' experience or how they feel about it.

varjag 1y ago
If X is Iran/Russia/North Korea/<current choice> and Y is US/UK/Canada etc, the whole mainstream media would be calling for war Russia had killed UK nationals on the British soil in covert ops and exactly the opposite had happened. The establishment and the media categorically did not want this to go anywhere let alone to a war.
- davidguetta 1y ago
  not sure why you are being downvoted, there are many cases where botched mission happenend even between allied countries and it's bad but never leads to war
- Stevvo 1y ago
  The Russian/UK situation is a-typical, because they wanted to be found; Russia explicitly left a trail of Novichock as a threat/intimidation.

tkel 1y ago

Yeah, it's always been like that, South Korea today is absolutely full of US military personnel. The sight of US tanks on streets is considered normal. War is like the main industry of the US, it's very profitable to have military bases in 55 countries, with a $1 trillion annual pot to draw from. It pays well to force regime change and install friendly client states that allow labor and resource extraction by US companies. Oil in Syria, Oil in Venezuela, minerals in Ukraine are a couple recent examples. The nice thing about Trump is that he just comes out and says these things, he doesn't disguise imperialism like other politicians have. "We'll install Guaido if they agree to give us half of their oil", "We are in Syria for the Oil", "We want something in return in Ukraine, we want the minerals", "We want the lithium in Bolivia", "We want Panama", "We want Greenland", "Make Canada a US state", "turn beachfront Gaza into a Real-Estate investment", etc. But it goes all the way back to the Korean War, with the North having most of the mineral resources that the US is interested in conquering. This is a playbook that the US has used all over the world.

SapporoChris 1y ago
"Yeah, it's always been like that, South Korea today is absolutely full of US military personnel. " In 1952 there were 326,863 US troops in South Korea. Last count there is 28,500 US troops. I struggle to fathom any definition of full of US military personnel that could possibly be true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Korea#Number_of_U.S._soldiers_stationed_in_South_Korea_by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Korea#Num... "The sight of US tanks on streets is considered normal." I've been in Seoul over three months, I've never seen a military tank on the street. In fact, I've never witnessed a tank on a street in my entire life in any country anywhere. "War is like the main industry of the US, ..." Nope, not even close. https://axiomalpha.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Screenshot-from-2022-08-31-23-22-02.png https://axiomalpha.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Screenshot... "... it's very profitable to have military bases in 55 countries, with a $1 trillion annual pot to draw from. " US Spends over 150 billion annually on overseas base. https://www.mintpressnews.com/214492-2/214492/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/214492-2/214492/ Can you provide any source that verifies any of your post? I can't seem to find anything I can point to and say, yes this is true.

mfru 1y ago

Well, the US >is< an imperialist aggressor, no propaganda there