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2007 was the crazy Bush days. In 2008 Bush wanted a missile defense shield in Poland, pointed at Russia, and made a point of declaring Ukraine would join NATO.
by Hilift 1y ago
2007 was the crazy Bush days. In 2008 Bush wanted a missile defense shield in Poland, pointed at Russia, and made a point of declaring Ukraine would join NATO.
- varjag 1y agoMaybe Putin's 2007 Munich speech and 2008 Russian war with Georgia had something to do with that.
- khhu2bnn 1y agoWhich were also tit-for-tat responses to the US & NATO (US involvement & funding in 2004 Ukraine Orange Revolution, 2006 Georgia bid for NATO, 2008 NATO Bucharest Summit).
- kjkjadksj 1y agoOh no they donated to a political campaign. Better start shelling villages and displacing a quarter million people. Tit for tat.
- varjag 1y agoAnd funny thing they aren't shelling the Americans who supposedly wronged them.
- varjag 1y agoHope you realize that once you subscribe to this naive-mechanistic view of politics all American wars and actions abroad also become justified.
- brabel 1y agoHow dare you suggest Putin is not doing things because he’s just crazy and wants to take over Europe??
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y agoIf I was a superpower I would just be really nice and have good policy so that people wanted to join my country I am not sure why none of the big three have put this into practice yet
- lazide 1y agoThose are the kinds of things you do when you CAN’T get what you want through PR and sheer bullshit (or violence). And assume you don’t already feel like you have the best people. That tends to not align very well with being a ‘superpower’. That kind of self doubt and reasonableness is what makes you stop being a superpower. It’s similar with Empires. You don’t get to be (or sustain) being an empire by giving a shit what anyone else thinks. You get to be (or sustain) being an empire by doing whatever the fuck you want, regardless of what anyone else thinks. And if anyone tries to stop you, figuring out a way to get them out of your way/conquer them. It’s a variant of ‘reasonable people conform to reality, unreasonable people make reality conform to them. therefore, all progress depends on unreasonable people.’ Of course, if you fuck it up, you potentially die. So none of this is for the faint of heart, or weak of arm (as it were).
- unparagoned 1y agoIsn’t that what the EU is doing? Getting counties to join them by being nice
- dilyevsky 1y agoI guess the crazy part is he was 100% correct too