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Well, considering that the same chipset (APQ8060) was also used in some variants of Galaxy S II, I really don't think so that Touchpad hardware was that bad. A

by klausa 14y ago

Well, considering that the same chipset (APQ8060) was also used in some variants of Galaxy S II, I really don't think so that Touchpad hardware was that bad. And the fact that after installing Android 4.0.4 on it, it feels like whole new machine (speed-wise) - I really blame webOS here.

robhawkes 14y ago
Fx OS on the SGS2 runs BLAZING fast compared to the device in the video. The reason why we don't shout about that? Because we're not launching with that device and it's not right to raise expectations in that way.
- bornhuetter 14y ago
  Are we going to be able to load Fx OS onto our own SGS2s when it's released?
  - kibwen 14y ago
    AFAIK you can do it right this minute, if you'd like. Here's a guide for dual-booting B2G and Android on SGS2 (though I have no idea how up-to-date it is): https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Dual_boot_of_B2G_and_Android_on_SGS2 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gec...
    - bornhuetter 14y ago
      Wow, thanks. I might give this a go.
      - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
        Be warned that it doesn't work on all GS2 devices though.
        bornhuetter 14y ago
        Do you know if it works on an original Desire?
        MatthewPhillips 14y ago
        No idea. If the Desire is a SGS2 device then it probably works. Actually, best way to find out is to see if Cyanogen supports the phone because B2G uses the Cyanogen code to pull drivers. Last time I tried (April), the T-Mobile SGS2 wasn't supported by Cyanogen (or B2G) because it significantly different internals.
- JackC 14y ago
  FWIW, I agree with masklinn that it's a little weird not to mention WebOS in the article. In particular when you wrote "In short, Firefox OS is about taking the technologies behind the Web, like JavaScript, and using them to produce an entire mobile operating system. Just let that sink in for a moment — it's a mobile OS powered by JavaScript!" I let that sink in back in 2009 when they announced WebOS. I was pretty excited about it. The way it crashed and burned from internal wrangling, delays, buggy releases and odd marketing was really sad. This is like you're showing up a year after the Hindenburg crashed and saying "Just let this sink in -- we've invented a rigid lighter-than-air flying machine!" That's not where we are in the conversation. The rest of the article is really exciting, and I really hope you can launch and get some traction. I agree that Mozilla is important in this space for exactly the same reasons Firefox was important when it launched. I just think it would be kind to tip your hat to WebOS along the way.
  - zabraxias 14y ago
    WebOS was targeted as an Android/iOS alternative on higher-end devices using proprietary APIs. It was also being developed by a company with shareholders who were purely focused on the bottom line. I am not trying to criticize them but there are inherit differences between the two projects. I am thinking Mozilla is also partly betting its reputation of protecting user information while being developer friendly. The free market will decide of course but at least initially that free market won't be North America.
davej 14y ago
I have a Touchpad that dual-boots into WebOS or Android ICS. I love WebOS but I find Android to be much smoother and snappier. The memory management of Android is also much better.
- gcb 14y ago
  indeed. I often have to close the browser to be able to open the HP market place app... it just keeps loading (and if i try to open preware with a browser with facebook in the background, it gets the same infinite wait, but at least it tells you that something is broken if you see a message for more than some seconds and suggests you reboot)
- SeanDav 14y ago
  Off Topic @gcb. Just curious gcb, you know you are hell banned but keep on posting - why is that? Have you tried appealing? Of course I can only see you because I keep "show dead" on.
  - eyoel 14y ago
    Seems like he was hell-banned for this comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4253243 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4253243
  - napillo 14y ago
    Hey, I'm hell banned also! I believe most people keep on posting because they don't give a crap about this stupid point system and arbitrary hell banning. I said one thing that 12 people disagreed with, so now I'm in hell. It's so stupid. It's supposed to be nothing but a circle jerk here, or what?

by klausa 14y ago

robhawkes 14y ago

Fx OS on the SGS2 runs BLAZING fast compared to the device in the video. The reason why we don't shout about that? Because we're not launching with that device and it's not right to raise expectations in that way.

bornhuetter 14y ago
Are we going to be able to load Fx OS onto our own SGS2s when it's released?
- kibwen 14y ago
  AFAIK you can do it right this minute, if you'd like. Here's a guide for dual-booting B2G and Android on SGS2 (though I have no idea how up-to-date it is): https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Dual_boot_of_B2G_and_Android_on_SGS2 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gec...
  - bornhuetter 14y ago
    Wow, thanks. I might give this a go.
    - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
      Be warned that it doesn't work on all GS2 devices though.
      - bornhuetter 14y ago
        Do you know if it works on an original Desire?
        MatthewPhillips 14y ago
        No idea. If the Desire is a SGS2 device then it probably works. Actually, best way to find out is to see if Cyanogen supports the phone because B2G uses the Cyanogen code to pull drivers. Last time I tried (April), the T-Mobile SGS2 wasn't supported by Cyanogen (or B2G) because it significantly different internals.
JackC 14y ago
FWIW, I agree with masklinn that it's a little weird not to mention WebOS in the article. In particular when you wrote "In short, Firefox OS is about taking the technologies behind the Web, like JavaScript, and using them to produce an entire mobile operating system. Just let that sink in for a moment — it's a mobile OS powered by JavaScript!" I let that sink in back in 2009 when they announced WebOS. I was pretty excited about it. The way it crashed and burned from internal wrangling, delays, buggy releases and odd marketing was really sad. This is like you're showing up a year after the Hindenburg crashed and saying "Just let this sink in -- we've invented a rigid lighter-than-air flying machine!" That's not where we are in the conversation. The rest of the article is really exciting, and I really hope you can launch and get some traction. I agree that Mozilla is important in this space for exactly the same reasons Firefox was important when it launched. I just think it would be kind to tip your hat to WebOS along the way.
- zabraxias 14y ago
  WebOS was targeted as an Android/iOS alternative on higher-end devices using proprietary APIs. It was also being developed by a company with shareholders who were purely focused on the bottom line. I am not trying to criticize them but there are inherit differences between the two projects. I am thinking Mozilla is also partly betting its reputation of protecting user information while being developer friendly. The free market will decide of course but at least initially that free market won't be North America.

davej 14y ago

I have a Touchpad that dual-boots into WebOS or Android ICS. I love WebOS but I find Android to be much smoother and snappier. The memory management of Android is also much better.

gcb 14y ago
indeed. I often have to close the browser to be able to open the HP market place app... it just keeps loading (and if i try to open preware with a browser with facebook in the background, it gets the same infinite wait, but at least it tells you that something is broken if you see a message for more than some seconds and suggests you reboot)
SeanDav 14y ago
Off Topic @gcb. Just curious gcb, you know you are hell banned but keep on posting - why is that? Have you tried appealing? Of course I can only see you because I keep "show dead" on.
- eyoel 14y ago
  Seems like he was hell-banned for this comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4253243 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4253243
- napillo 14y ago
  Hey, I'm hell banned also! I believe most people keep on posting because they don't give a crap about this stupid point system and arbitrary hell banning. I said one thing that 12 people disagreed with, so now I'm in hell. It's so stupid. It's supposed to be nothing but a circle jerk here, or what?