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Pretty wild! I wonder how much high school teachers and college professors are struggling with the inevitable usage though? "Do deep internet research and thi

Pretty wild! I wonder how much high school teachers and college professors are struggling with the inevitable usage though? "Do deep internet research and thinking to present as much evidence in favor of the idea that JRR Tolkein's Lord of the Rings trilogy was inspired by Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast series." https://chatgpt.com/share/68bcd796-bf8c-800c-ad7a-51387b1e531b https://chatgpt.com/share/68bcd796-bf8c-800c-ad7a-51387b1e53...

esafak 1y ago
I was amused that it used the neologism 'steel-man' -- redundantly, too.
- IanCal 1y ago
  I'm a bit confused, how is it redundant here? It's trying to make the best possible argument from one side that seems to be wrong. Instead of taking the argument at face value, it takes the most charitable understanding of it (not requiring that it happened before, but some parts where perhaps inspired during later revisions) and tries to argue that case.
  - esafak 1y ago
    'strongest “steel-man” case' is the same thing as strongest case; “steel-man” adds nothing.
  - indigodaddy 1y ago
    The question I asked was intentionally trying to see if GPT would go for it or just give me the answer it thought I wanted, but it did a pretty decent job at not just saying “you’re absolutely right” etc. Myself I don’t believe there to be much influence between the two.
wtbdbrrr 1y ago
Idea: workshops for teachers that teach them some kind of Socratic method that stimulates kids to support what they got from G with their own thinking, however basic and simple it may be. Formulating the state of your current knowledge graph, that was just amplified by ChatGPT's research might be a way to offset the loss of XP ... XP that comes with grinding at whatever level kids currently find themselves ...
sixtyj 1y ago
Did you check the facts? Did you click through all the links and see what the sources are? A while ago I bragged at a conference about how ChatGPT had "solved" something... Yeah, we know, it's from Wikipedia and it's wrong :)
currymj 1y ago
the thing about students who cheat is most of them are (at least in the context of schoolwork) very lazy and don't care if their work is high quality. i would guess waiting multiple minutes for Thinking mode to give thorough results is very unappealing. 4o or 4o-mini was already good enough for their purposes.

esafak 1y ago

I was amused that it used the neologism 'steel-man' -- redundantly, too.

IanCal 1y ago
I'm a bit confused, how is it redundant here? It's trying to make the best possible argument from one side that seems to be wrong. Instead of taking the argument at face value, it takes the most charitable understanding of it (not requiring that it happened before, but some parts where perhaps inspired during later revisions) and tries to argue that case.
- esafak 1y ago
  'strongest “steel-man” case' is the same thing as strongest case; “steel-man” adds nothing.
- indigodaddy 1y ago
  The question I asked was intentionally trying to see if GPT would go for it or just give me the answer it thought I wanted, but it did a pretty decent job at not just saying “you’re absolutely right” etc. Myself I don’t believe there to be much influence between the two.

wtbdbrrr 1y ago

Idea: workshops for teachers that teach them some kind of Socratic method that stimulates kids to support what they got from G with their own thinking, however basic and simple it may be. Formulating the state of your current knowledge graph, that was just amplified by ChatGPT's research might be a way to offset the loss of XP ... XP that comes with grinding at whatever level kids currently find themselves ...

sixtyj 1y ago

Did you check the facts? Did you click through all the links and see what the sources are? A while ago I bragged at a conference about how ChatGPT had "solved" something... Yeah, we know, it's from Wikipedia and it's wrong :)

currymj 1y ago

the thing about students who cheat is most of them are (at least in the context of schoolwork) very lazy and don't care if their work is high quality. i would guess waiting multiple minutes for Thinking mode to give thorough results is very unappealing. 4o or 4o-mini was already good enough for their purposes.