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The correct response is not to cut executive pay, it's to dramatically increase SWE/Secops/Devops pay and stop outsourcing everything.

jiggawatts 1y ago
No, the correct response is to use even cheaper outsourcers, but force them to jump through at least a dozen VPN, MFA, PIM, and PSM hoops before landing on a server that has half a dozen security agents slowing it down to a speed that can be best described as "cold molasses" with every packet in and out both triple encrypted and somehow magically "inspected" by an advanced firewall that runs on industrial quantities of snake oil.
- anonymars 1y ago
  It was my day off man, why you gotta be like that <eye twitches>
itake 1y ago
I’m skeptical. Ive never seen a situation where tech workers intentionally created low quality work because they didn’t like they pay they agreed to work for… Usually, it would be a skill issue that could only be solved by additional training or churning headcount.
- adt 1y ago
  Indeed. >One thing that programmers don’t care about. They don’t care about money, actually, unless you’re screwing up on the other things... You do have to pay competitively, but all said, of all the things that programmers look at in deciding where to work, as long as the salaries are basically fair, they will be surprisingly low on their list of considerations, and offering high salaries is a surprisingly ineffective tool in overcoming problems like the fact that programmers get 15″ monitors and salespeople yell at them all the time and the job involves making nuclear weapons out of baby seals. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/07/a-field-guide-to-developers-2/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/07/a-field-guide-to-d...
  - itake 1y ago
    I think programmers (especially post levels.fyi, r/careeradvice, and blind) care a lot more about TC than in 2006, but if people are upset about pay, they leave. They don't intentionally skip authentication steps as a silent protest for being paid lower than they want to.
layer8 1y ago
No, accountability is the correct way to incentivize a high level of diligence. Paying engineers more doesn’t by itself do that.
- bigiain 1y ago
  Yep. Don't cut executive pay. Put executives in jail. I'll bet that if Qantas ever get fined for this data breach, the fine/penalties will cost the company less than the increase in senior leadership salaries for that year.

jiggawatts 1y ago

No, the correct response is to use even cheaper outsourcers, but force them to jump through at least a dozen VPN, MFA, PIM, and PSM hoops before landing on a server that has half a dozen security agents slowing it down to a speed that can be best described as "cold molasses" with every packet in and out both triple encrypted and somehow magically "inspected" by an advanced firewall that runs on industrial quantities of snake oil.

anonymars 1y ago
It was my day off man, why you gotta be like that <eye twitches>

itake 1y ago

I’m skeptical. Ive never seen a situation where tech workers intentionally created low quality work because they didn’t like they pay they agreed to work for… Usually, it would be a skill issue that could only be solved by additional training or churning headcount.

adt 1y ago
Indeed. >One thing that programmers don’t care about. They don’t care about money, actually, unless you’re screwing up on the other things... You do have to pay competitively, but all said, of all the things that programmers look at in deciding where to work, as long as the salaries are basically fair, they will be surprisingly low on their list of considerations, and offering high salaries is a surprisingly ineffective tool in overcoming problems like the fact that programmers get 15″ monitors and salespeople yell at them all the time and the job involves making nuclear weapons out of baby seals. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/07/a-field-guide-to-developers-2/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/07/a-field-guide-to-d...
- itake 1y ago
  I think programmers (especially post levels.fyi, r/careeradvice, and blind) care a lot more about TC than in 2006, but if people are upset about pay, they leave. They don't intentionally skip authentication steps as a silent protest for being paid lower than they want to.

layer8 1y ago

No, accountability is the correct way to incentivize a high level of diligence. Paying engineers more doesn’t by itself do that.

bigiain 1y ago
Yep. Don't cut executive pay. Put executives in jail. I'll bet that if Qantas ever get fined for this data breach, the fine/penalties will cost the company less than the increase in senior leadership salaries for that year.