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something with a little more technical detail: https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/ias/jsc/jupiter/tech https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/ias/jsc/jupiter/tech looks like

something with a little more technical detail: https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/ias/jsc/jupiter/tech https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/ias/jsc/jupiter/tech looks like its just a big Nvidia installation. IB, Ceph, K8s, H100s

bayindirh 1y ago
If that’s “so simple”, why we don’t see everyone “just” doing the same?
- BrouteMinou 1y ago
  It might just be expensive... Some other countries might just not need those when they are struggling to get fresh water... And so on, but that's just my 2 cents.
  - wqweto 1y ago
    Europe is not a country.
    - liotier 1y ago
      Federal Europe is a proto-country - and we are already citizens of the European Union. In short: Europe is my country !
      - deleted 1y ago
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    - BrouteMinou 1y ago
      "Everyone" doesn't apply just to continents, isn't it?
- dotnet00 1y ago
  To be fair, being "just" a big Nvidia installation doesn't really mean that it's "so simple" (person you're replying to didn't claim it was simple), considering that every "Nvidia installation" has a slightly different set of factors like node count, per node memory, CPU choice, and networking configuration. All it says is, like many (most?) other modern supercomputers, it's a giant NVIDIA GPU cluster.
ofrzeta 1y ago
> a 21 Petabyte Flash Module (ExaFLASH) is provided based on the IBM Storage Scale Nice. How much does this cost? > The scratch storage is based on 20 IBM Storage Scale 6000 systems utilizing NVMe disk technology, based on the IBM Storage Scale solution. With 29 PB of raw and 21 PB of useable capacity That's also a lot of waste, isn't it?
- conception 1y ago
  With 29 PB of raw and 21 PB of useable capacity. RAID gonna RAID.
poisonborz 1y ago
Don't know why your're downvoted, this is valid criticism. EU just bought 500 mil worth of hardware from the US, no specific European innovation, apart from system management (ParTec Italy). But would be happy to be proven otherwise.
- frodo8sam 1y ago
  Who exactly were you going to buy equipment from? AMD/Nvidia/Intel are the only players in town.
  - themgt 1y ago
    China with SMIC and Huawei's Ascend 910C would be an example of what you do if you want to pursue strategic autonomy. It's like asking "who exactly were you going to buy a 6th generation fighter from?"
    - timlatim 1y ago
      Without questioning this idea on political grounds, I am not sure if it would be at all possible for an Ascend 910C cluster to enter the supercomputer rankings. I could not find a public datasheet on this chip (would appreciate a link), but my impression is that it is an AI accelerator that does not target FP64, whereas TOP500 is looking at HPC (FP64) performance [1]. [1] https://top500.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/ https://top500.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/
    - standardUser 1y ago
      Until a year ago, few thought there would ever be a need for Europe to have strategic autonomy from the US in an area that was already solved by trade agreements. Presumably this project was conceived long before that.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  It was probably more like system designed in Europe, made in China, assembled in Europe thing. Sure, the HQ of the core component(Nvidia) is incorporated in US but that too is a multinational effort.

bayindirh 1y ago

If that’s “so simple”, why we don’t see everyone “just” doing the same?

BrouteMinou 1y ago
It might just be expensive... Some other countries might just not need those when they are struggling to get fresh water... And so on, but that's just my 2 cents.
- wqweto 1y ago
  Europe is not a country.
  - liotier 1y ago
    Federal Europe is a proto-country - and we are already citizens of the European Union. In short: Europe is my country !
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
  - BrouteMinou 1y ago
    "Everyone" doesn't apply just to continents, isn't it?
dotnet00 1y ago
To be fair, being "just" a big Nvidia installation doesn't really mean that it's "so simple" (person you're replying to didn't claim it was simple), considering that every "Nvidia installation" has a slightly different set of factors like node count, per node memory, CPU choice, and networking configuration. All it says is, like many (most?) other modern supercomputers, it's a giant NVIDIA GPU cluster.

ofrzeta 1y ago

> a 21 Petabyte Flash Module (ExaFLASH) is provided based on the IBM Storage Scale Nice. How much does this cost? > The scratch storage is based on 20 IBM Storage Scale 6000 systems utilizing NVMe disk technology, based on the IBM Storage Scale solution. With 29 PB of raw and 21 PB of useable capacity That's also a lot of waste, isn't it?

conception 1y ago
With 29 PB of raw and 21 PB of useable capacity. RAID gonna RAID.

poisonborz 1y ago

Don't know why your're downvoted, this is valid criticism. EU just bought 500 mil worth of hardware from the US, no specific European innovation, apart from system management (ParTec Italy). But would be happy to be proven otherwise.

frodo8sam 1y ago
Who exactly were you going to buy equipment from? AMD/Nvidia/Intel are the only players in town.
- themgt 1y ago
  China with SMIC and Huawei's Ascend 910C would be an example of what you do if you want to pursue strategic autonomy. It's like asking "who exactly were you going to buy a 6th generation fighter from?"
  - timlatim 1y ago
    Without questioning this idea on political grounds, I am not sure if it would be at all possible for an Ascend 910C cluster to enter the supercomputer rankings. I could not find a public datasheet on this chip (would appreciate a link), but my impression is that it is an AI accelerator that does not target FP64, whereas TOP500 is looking at HPC (FP64) performance [1]. [1] https://top500.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/ https://top500.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/
  - standardUser 1y ago
    Until a year ago, few thought there would ever be a need for Europe to have strategic autonomy from the US in an area that was already solved by trade agreements. Presumably this project was conceived long before that.
mrtksn 1y ago
It was probably more like system designed in Europe, made in China, assembled in Europe thing. Sure, the HQ of the core component(Nvidia) is incorporated in US but that too is a multinational effort.