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I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used i

I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

floundy 1y ago
That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not care, they'll make another free account, but genuine users will have their attitude towards the site turn significantly negative when they're falsely actioned. Don't worry, Reddit's day of reckoning comes when the advertisers figure out what percent of Reddit's traffic that they're paying to serve ads to are just bots.
- trod1234 1y ago
  Its not just Reddit, this is happening on all networked platforms. FB, X, HN, Reddit, they are all in the exact same boat, and some are quite worse than Reddit. This is surreptitious jamming of communications at levels that constitute and exceed thresholds for consideration as irregular warfare. Genuine users no longer matter, only the user counts which are programmatically driven to distort reflected appraisal. The users are repressed and demoralized because of such false actions, and the platform has no solution because regulation failed to act at a time they could have changed these outcomes. What comes later will simply be comparable to why "triage" is done on the battlefield. Adtech is just a gloriously indirect means for money laundering in fiat money-printing environments. Credit/Debt being offers, when it is unbacked without proper reserve is money-printing.
- terribleperson 1y ago
  I don't know if the day of reckoning will be anytime soon. I think a lot of major advertising firms are aware that they're mostly serving to bots, but if they tell their customers that, they don't get paid. edit: This has definitely soured my already poor opinion of reddit. I mostly post there about video games, or to help people in /r/buildapc or /r/askculinary. I think I'd rather help people somewhere I'm not going to get blackholed because an AI misinterpreted my comments.
- viccis 1y ago
  >That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. Check out this post [1] in which the post includes part of the LLM response ("This kind of story involves classic AITA themes: family drama, boundary-setting, and a “big event” setting, which typically generates a lot of engagement and differing opinions.") and almost no commenter points this out. Hilarious if it weren't so bleak. 1: https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1ft3bt6/aita_for_not_letting_my_cousin_bring_her_baby_to/ https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1ft3bt6/aita_for_n... (using rareddit because it was eventually deleted)
  - threeducks 1y ago
    Over the past two years, I have also seen many similar stories where the majority of users were unable to recognize that these stories were AI-generated. I fear for the future of democracy if the masses are so easily deceived. Does anyone have any good ideas on how to counteract this?
    - utyop22 1y ago
      Literacy rates have been falling off a cliff for decades. If theres no literacy, there is no critical thinking. The only solution is to deliver high quality education to all folks and create engaging environments for it to be delivered. Ultimately it comes down to influencing folks to think deeper about whats going on around them. Most of the people between the age of 13-30ish right now are kinda screwed and pretty much a write off imo.
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  > Don't worry, Reddit's day of reckoning comes when the advertisers figure out what percent of Reddit's traffic that they're paying to serve ads to are just bots. No it won't, we'll all have to upload our IDs and videos of our faces just to register or use Reddit or any social media. They will know who is a real monetizable user or not.
trod1234 1y ago
I'm banned from a few subreddits for correctly pointing out that ricing is not a pejorative, and the history of the culture that led to extreme customization. You have malevolent third-party bots taking advantage of poor moderation to conflate similar/same word different context pairs to silence communication. For example, the reddit AI bots considers "ricing" to be the same as "rice boy". The latter definitely is pejorative, but the former is not. Just wild and absolutely crazy-making that this is even allowed, since communication is the primary means to inflict compulsion and torture these days. Intolerable acts without due process or a rule of law lead to only one possible outcome. Coercion isn't new, but the stupid people are trying their hand for another bite at the apple. The major platforms will not remain usable because eventually you get this hollowing out of meaning, and this behavior will either drive away all your rational intelligent contributors, or lead to accelerated failures such as evaporative cooling in the social networks. People use things because they provide some amount of value. When that stops being the case, the value disappears not overnight, but within a few months. Just take a look at the linuxquestions subreddit since the mod exodus. They have a automated trickle of the same questions that don't really get sufficiently answered. Its all slop. All the experienced people who previously shared their knowledge as charity have moved on because they were driven out by caustic harassment and lack of proper moderation to prevent that. The mod list even hides who the mods are now so people who have had moderated action can't appeal to the Reddit Administrators with the specific moderator who did something as a fascist dictator incapable of basic reading level comprehension common to grade schoolers (AI).
- bitwize 1y ago
  Per the Linux Foundation it is inappropriate to speak of programs as "hung" due to the political and social history associated with hanging. What makes you think "ricing" would be considered acceptable language in today's context?
  - ants_everywhere 1y ago
    huh, the past tense of the violent "hang" is "hanged" not "hung". https://www.thefreedictionary.com/hung https://www.thefreedictionary.com/hung "hung" means to "suspend", so the process is suspended
busymom0 1y ago
Meanwhile the "new" Digg reboot plans on using AI moderators too...
- terribleperson 1y ago
  The thing that annoys me is that I could see value in AI moderation. Instead of scanning every post with AI with overly-broad criteria (and probably lower-power models), use AI to prescreen reports and determine whether they're worth surfacing to a human. IT could also be used to put temporary holds on material that's potentially criminal or just way over the line, but those holds should go to the very front of the human review queue to either be lifted or the content deleted. Real moderation actions should not be taken without human input and should always be appealable, even if the appeal is just another mod looking at it to see if they agree.
kbaker 1y ago
Lol. I got perma-banned for violating rules under my alt accounts. But I don't have any alt accounts...??? Appeal process is a joke. I just opted to delete my 12 year old account instead and have stopped going there. Oh well, probably time for them to go under and be reborn anyways. The default subs and front page has been garbage for some time.
- randycupertino 1y ago
  I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection. They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.
  - cmxch 1y ago
    This is where someone does need to buy up Reddit to clean that out.
  - terribleperson 1y ago
    ...is nimby a dirty word now or something?
    - llbbdd 1y ago
      Always has been
    - lazide 1y ago
      Any word can be a dirty word when someone who is definitely that thing is insecure about being that thing. Bonus points - those kind of people tend to love going around calling other people that thing too.
- mnky9800n 1y ago
  i deleted my reddit account because the feed is organized for you. It is entirely possible that reddit will organize a feed designed to make you come to a certain conclusion across viewing a number of posts. And whether this is done purposefully by some bad actor or it is done because some algorithm latches on to a particular theme, it doesn't matter. I prefer that things be voted directly without interference, which I assume is how hacker news works. The other thing is that it is simply a complete waste of time. Commenting on pop culture or news or whatever, when I could be reading books, working on projects, or otherwise interacting with people in the real world is better. We don't have so much time on Earth, I am not sure I want to keep spending so much of it in cyberspace. https://sustainableviews.substack.com/p/the-day-i-kissed-comment-culture https://sustainableviews.substack.com/p/the-day-i-kissed-com...
immibis 1y ago
Reddit has been garbage since the effective private equity takeover. I'm not sure if they actually got taken over by private equity, but they acted like it since about a year before the third-party app tantrum.

floundy 1y ago

That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not care, they'll make another free account, but genuine users will have their attitude towards the site turn significantly negative when they're falsely actioned. Don't worry, Reddit's day of reckoning comes when the advertisers figure out what percent of Reddit's traffic that they're paying to serve ads to are just bots.

trod1234 1y ago
Its not just Reddit, this is happening on all networked platforms. FB, X, HN, Reddit, they are all in the exact same boat, and some are quite worse than Reddit. This is surreptitious jamming of communications at levels that constitute and exceed thresholds for consideration as irregular warfare. Genuine users no longer matter, only the user counts which are programmatically driven to distort reflected appraisal. The users are repressed and demoralized because of such false actions, and the platform has no solution because regulation failed to act at a time they could have changed these outcomes. What comes later will simply be comparable to why "triage" is done on the battlefield. Adtech is just a gloriously indirect means for money laundering in fiat money-printing environments. Credit/Debt being offers, when it is unbacked without proper reserve is money-printing.
terribleperson 1y ago
I don't know if the day of reckoning will be anytime soon. I think a lot of major advertising firms are aware that they're mostly serving to bots, but if they tell their customers that, they don't get paid. edit: This has definitely soured my already poor opinion of reddit. I mostly post there about video games, or to help people in /r/buildapc or /r/askculinary. I think I'd rather help people somewhere I'm not going to get blackholed because an AI misinterpreted my comments.
viccis 1y ago
>That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. Check out this post [1] in which the post includes part of the LLM response ("This kind of story involves classic AITA themes: family drama, boundary-setting, and a “big event” setting, which typically generates a lot of engagement and differing opinions.") and almost no commenter points this out. Hilarious if it weren't so bleak. 1: https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1ft3bt6/aita_for_not_letting_my_cousin_bring_her_baby_to/ https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1ft3bt6/aita_for_n... (using rareddit because it was eventually deleted)
- threeducks 1y ago
  Over the past two years, I have also seen many similar stories where the majority of users were unable to recognize that these stories were AI-generated. I fear for the future of democracy if the masses are so easily deceived. Does anyone have any good ideas on how to counteract this?
  - utyop22 1y ago
    Literacy rates have been falling off a cliff for decades. If theres no literacy, there is no critical thinking. The only solution is to deliver high quality education to all folks and create engaging environments for it to be delivered. Ultimately it comes down to influencing folks to think deeper about whats going on around them. Most of the people between the age of 13-30ish right now are kinda screwed and pretty much a write off imo.
heavyset_go 1y ago
> Don't worry, Reddit's day of reckoning comes when the advertisers figure out what percent of Reddit's traffic that they're paying to serve ads to are just bots. No it won't, we'll all have to upload our IDs and videos of our faces just to register or use Reddit or any social media. They will know who is a real monetizable user or not.

trod1234 1y ago

I'm banned from a few subreddits for correctly pointing out that ricing is not a pejorative, and the history of the culture that led to extreme customization. You have malevolent third-party bots taking advantage of poor moderation to conflate similar/same word different context pairs to silence communication. For example, the reddit AI bots considers "ricing" to be the same as "rice boy". The latter definitely is pejorative, but the former is not. Just wild and absolutely crazy-making that this is even allowed, since communication is the primary means to inflict compulsion and torture these days. Intolerable acts without due process or a rule of law lead to only one possible outcome. Coercion isn't new, but the stupid people are trying their hand for another bite at the apple. The major platforms will not remain usable because eventually you get this hollowing out of meaning, and this behavior will either drive away all your rational intelligent contributors, or lead to accelerated failures such as evaporative cooling in the social networks. People use things because they provide some amount of value. When that stops being the case, the value disappears not overnight, but within a few months. Just take a look at the linuxquestions subreddit since the mod exodus. They have a automated trickle of the same questions that don't really get sufficiently answered. Its all slop. All the experienced people who previously shared their knowledge as charity have moved on because they were driven out by caustic harassment and lack of proper moderation to prevent that. The mod list even hides who the mods are now so people who have had moderated action can't appeal to the Reddit Administrators with the specific moderator who did something as a fascist dictator incapable of basic reading level comprehension common to grade schoolers (AI).

bitwize 1y ago
Per the Linux Foundation it is inappropriate to speak of programs as "hung" due to the political and social history associated with hanging. What makes you think "ricing" would be considered acceptable language in today's context?
- ants_everywhere 1y ago
  huh, the past tense of the violent "hang" is "hanged" not "hung". https://www.thefreedictionary.com/hung https://www.thefreedictionary.com/hung "hung" means to "suspend", so the process is suspended

busymom0 1y ago

Meanwhile the "new" Digg reboot plans on using AI moderators too...

terribleperson 1y ago
The thing that annoys me is that I could see value in AI moderation. Instead of scanning every post with AI with overly-broad criteria (and probably lower-power models), use AI to prescreen reports and determine whether they're worth surfacing to a human. IT could also be used to put temporary holds on material that's potentially criminal or just way over the line, but those holds should go to the very front of the human review queue to either be lifted or the content deleted. Real moderation actions should not be taken without human input and should always be appealable, even if the appeal is just another mod looking at it to see if they agree.

kbaker 1y ago

Lol. I got perma-banned for violating rules under my alt accounts. But I don't have any alt accounts...??? Appeal process is a joke. I just opted to delete my 12 year old account instead and have stopped going there. Oh well, probably time for them to go under and be reborn anyways. The default subs and front page has been garbage for some time.

randycupertino 1y ago
I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection. They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.
- cmxch 1y ago
  This is where someone does need to buy up Reddit to clean that out.
- terribleperson 1y ago
  ...is nimby a dirty word now or something?
  - llbbdd 1y ago
    Always has been
  - lazide 1y ago
    Any word can be a dirty word when someone who is definitely that thing is insecure about being that thing. Bonus points - those kind of people tend to love going around calling other people that thing too.
mnky9800n 1y ago
i deleted my reddit account because the feed is organized for you. It is entirely possible that reddit will organize a feed designed to make you come to a certain conclusion across viewing a number of posts. And whether this is done purposefully by some bad actor or it is done because some algorithm latches on to a particular theme, it doesn't matter. I prefer that things be voted directly without interference, which I assume is how hacker news works. The other thing is that it is simply a complete waste of time. Commenting on pop culture or news or whatever, when I could be reading books, working on projects, or otherwise interacting with people in the real world is better. We don't have so much time on Earth, I am not sure I want to keep spending so much of it in cyberspace. https://sustainableviews.substack.com/p/the-day-i-kissed-comment-culture https://sustainableviews.substack.com/p/the-day-i-kissed-com...

immibis 1y ago

Reddit has been garbage since the effective private equity takeover. I'm not sure if they actually got taken over by private equity, but they acted like it since about a year before the third-party app tantrum.