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> When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. Or a helpful signal to join tha
by paulcole 1y ago
> When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company.
Or a helpful signal to join that company if it’s something you’re excited about.
It’s crazy to me that people are so arrogant to say that somebody else is “wrong” for being excited about something.
- tikhonj 1y agoperformative hours ≠ excitement if folks were actually excited and motivated, you wouldn't need forced hours, you'd just trust people to work in the best way for them
- paulcole 1y agoDo you think there are 0 people in the world who are excited about long hours at work?
- ohdeargodno 1y ago996 done on your own time without expectations of it being done can be understood if you're excited about it. It's dumb, it ruins your health and your social experiences, but whatever, you're usually young and dumb. A good employer would actively tell you to slow down and manage your energy if it goes on for too long.. 996 mandated by the company is 1/ illegal 2/ straight up illegal 3/ a clear signal that they do not see you as a human being. Worst case scenario, 996 is dumb. Not a super high bar to clear.
- garciasn 1y agoHow is 996 illegal for legally exempt employees in the US who meet requirements to be marked as such? Hint: it’s not.
- paulcole 1y ago> 996 mandated by the company is 1/ illegal 2/ straight up illegal 3/ a clear signal that they do not see you as a human being. 1 & 2. I don't believe this to be true in the United States. 3. If a company mandated 9 to 5 for 5 days a week isn't that equally distasteful for someone who is excited to work 996?
- brewtide 1y agoDon't even both(er) with the 934's, they won't hear it.
- moron4hire 1y agoIf you were genuinely excited and cared about your startup, you'd do the right thing for it and get some sleep.
- paulcole 1y agoNobody ever said they were genuinely excited and cared about their startup, they said they cared about 996.
- moron4hire 1y agoPlenty of people in this thread did say exactly that.
- paulcole 1y agoBut you replied to me? Was that in error?
- footy 1y agoI genuinely love my job and am excited about it and I still wouldn't do it for anywhere close to 996 hours
- paulcole 1y agoAwesome! Then you should avoid someplace that works 996 like the plague. Do you think there are 0 people in the world who are excited about long hours at work?
- pixelatedindex 1y agoNo, but should we normalize it and put it as a job requirement? Those who want to do it are free to do so at any company.
- paulcole 1y ago> Those who want to do it are free to do so at any company. This is the same argument about how when a company is remote anyone is still free to go into the office. The people who want to work 996 likely want to do it with other people who want to work 996. A company whose team values 996 should put it as a job requirement to filter applicants.
- pixelatedindex 1y ago> This is the same argument about how when a company is remote anyone is still free to go into the office. This seems like a straw man. Where you work from is different from how/how much you work. You’re hired to do the job, what if you do the job in 8 hours? It also seems like a given that when you work at a startup that work life balance will be at a minimum. What more do you want?
- paulcole 1y ago> This seems like a straw man No. You’re hired to do the job, what if you do the job in 8 hours? Keep working if working is what you enjoy doing. Is the entire mission of the business “finished” after 8 hours? > It also seems like a given that when you work at a startup that work life balance will be at a minimum. What more do you want? To work somewhere where the other employees and the company leadership values the same thing.