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The pull is that a CLA allows someone to circumvent the GPL at some point in the future at their leisure It's open-washing

jenadine 1y ago
In case of dual license, this is the stated goal so there is no "pull". (Unless they stop with the GPL version, but I'd say this is unlikely)
hedora 1y ago
Though note that redhat is doing this with all GPL software, but without a CLA. They retaliate against customers that share source code, and claim that this doesn’t fall under the “without further restrictions” clause in the redistribution of source code phrase in the GPL. Anyway, rug pulls are apparently possible, even with the GPL, at least until this is taken to court and IBM loses.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  How does Rocky Linux continue to get timely updates from upstream? Do they have to use shells or other subterfuge?
  - hedora 1y ago
    It looks like they’re not RHEL compatible any more: https://www.zdnet.com/article/rocky-linux-9-arrives-with-everything-you-need-to-replicate-the-distro-on-your-own/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/rocky-linux-9-arrives-with-eve... That says they pull from CentOS Stream, which I think is upstream from RHEL.
    - paulryanrogers 1y ago
      According to this other article [0] they still aim for 1:1 compatibility with RHEL, and not Stream. I also don't see any mention of Stream in the Rocky 9 release notes. EDIT: I wonder if Rocky is still following their original plans to leverage rented VMs [1]? [0] https://linuxiac.com/rocky-linux-confirmed-to-remain-fully-compatible-with-rhel/ https://linuxiac.com/rocky-linux-confirmed-to-remain-fully-c... [1] https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open
- bonzini 1y ago
  Neither you nor the parent comment are using rug pull in the sense of the article.
throwaway012377 1y ago
That depends on what's written on the CLA.

jenadine 1y ago

In case of dual license, this is the stated goal so there is no "pull". (Unless they stop with the GPL version, but I'd say this is unlikely)

hedora 1y ago

Though note that redhat is doing this with all GPL software, but without a CLA. They retaliate against customers that share source code, and claim that this doesn’t fall under the “without further restrictions” clause in the redistribution of source code phrase in the GPL. Anyway, rug pulls are apparently possible, even with the GPL, at least until this is taken to court and IBM loses.

paulryanrogers 1y ago
How does Rocky Linux continue to get timely updates from upstream? Do they have to use shells or other subterfuge?
- hedora 1y ago
  It looks like they’re not RHEL compatible any more: https://www.zdnet.com/article/rocky-linux-9-arrives-with-everything-you-need-to-replicate-the-distro-on-your-own/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/rocky-linux-9-arrives-with-eve... That says they pull from CentOS Stream, which I think is upstream from RHEL.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    According to this other article [0] they still aim for 1:1 compatibility with RHEL, and not Stream. I also don't see any mention of Stream in the Rocky 9 release notes. EDIT: I wonder if Rocky is still following their original plans to leverage rented VMs [1]? [0] https://linuxiac.com/rocky-linux-confirmed-to-remain-fully-compatible-with-rhel/ https://linuxiac.com/rocky-linux-confirmed-to-remain-fully-c... [1] https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open
bonzini 1y ago
Neither you nor the parent comment are using rug pull in the sense of the article.

throwaway012377 1y ago

That depends on what's written on the CLA.