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On-shore manufacturing requires an on-shore workforce. I’m wondering how this will sit with any company that wants to invest in on-shore manufacturing. I mean,

On-shore manufacturing requires an on-shore workforce. I’m wondering how this will sit with any company that wants to invest in on-shore manufacturing. I mean, what’s the big picture here?

486sx33 1y ago
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Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
Factory workers are easy targets compared with actual criminals. So ICE goes after them to meet their quotas. It could also be that the Hyandai executives weren't contributing enough to the right parties so had to be made an example of. Could be both.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  Yes the Hyundai president left his gold brick at home
  - trashface 1y ago
    Trump did get a metal turtle ship model made by one "Oh Jeong-chul, a master from HD Hyundai", gifted by Korean president Lee Jae-myung. But maybe Trump forgot that. He's getting old after all, and it was more than a week ago how could we expect him to remember.
    - cozzyd 1y ago
      Probably wasn't kitschy enough
- dilyevsky 1y ago
  Or you know could be that corporate execs blatantly violating immigration laws. They would never, i know
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
    > corporate execs blatantly violating immigration laws That's the fun part. They all are violating immigration laws. The country is run on cheap immigrate labor. What we are seeing is selective enforcement.
    - dilyevsky 1y ago
      > What we are seeing is selective enforcement. Doesn't appear to be the case considering all the ICE news lately... On the contrary seems like they're enforcing white-collar immigration laws too now. Also i'm willing to bet it was a tip off by a pissed off vendor or local union or something.
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
        > seems like they're enforcing white-collar immigration laws too now Are they applying them to equally to corps that are politically connected to, and give big money to Trump?
        dilyevsky 1y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
metalman 1y ago
the picture is that these workers must have been in the US under a completly above board legal framework to build out a battery plant and presumably they are a specialised ,experienced work force, under contract, Korea right, one of the most orderly countrys on the planet, rich too, tell them to go home, they go home so this must be a contrived way to eliminate competition, after all of the contracts were signed. reputational damage to the US is incalculable and a strategic retreat by all other countrys becomes likely these people came with there familys, were detained at work, with there kids comming home from school to no parents full tilt, psycho freak move
- dilyevsky 1y ago
  If they were all working on b1/b2 visas (like actually setting up lines and doing other work and not just training locals) as this source is claiming[0] it’s a clear violation and slam dunk case. They will be deported and barred entry for like 10 years. Also these laws were on the books since forever just hard to enforce unless someone is being completely obvious which seems to be the case here [0] - https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ice-raid-hyundai-plant-georgia-021501258.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ice-raid-hyundai-plant-georgia-021...
  - metalman 1y ago
    Right, but my point is that isueing (very embarassing) orders for those workers, to leave, knowing that these workers would have only the vaugest, or no, notion of the laws involved in the contract, as they very likely could not fill out any of the paper work themselves, VS a mass arrest that will likely derail further investment from some of the major allies of the US. The net effect of this and other actions looks something like a modern equivilant of the Chinese "Cultural Revolution", but with an economy vastly more integrated and dependent with the rest of the world, but with no clear policy statement, and edicts bieng issued and revoked on a day to day basis. The US could have told the Korean's , go home, in a soto voice, they would blush, go home, and ask for another chance to do business, that it was 500 workers @ a major new car plant means that they were given some sort of "dont worry about it" verbal assurance, and have been double crossed, which is a game changer.
dilyevsky 1y ago
You can also just do it by the book and get proper l1-b visas or have them performing duties not categorized as work such as training, consulting local staff, etc (not a legal advice). Or you can do what they allegedly did and see where that gets you. Also if they were cutting corners on this what else did they cut corners on?

On-shore manufacturing requires an on-shore workforce. I’m wondering how this will sit with any company that wants to invest in on-shore manufacturing. I mean, what’s the big picture here?

486sx33 1y ago

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Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago

Factory workers are easy targets compared with actual criminals. So ICE goes after them to meet their quotas. It could also be that the Hyandai executives weren't contributing enough to the right parties so had to be made an example of. Could be both.

cozzyd 1y ago
Yes the Hyundai president left his gold brick at home
- trashface 1y ago
  Trump did get a metal turtle ship model made by one "Oh Jeong-chul, a master from HD Hyundai", gifted by Korean president Lee Jae-myung. But maybe Trump forgot that. He's getting old after all, and it was more than a week ago how could we expect him to remember.
  - cozzyd 1y ago
    Probably wasn't kitschy enough
dilyevsky 1y ago
Or you know could be that corporate execs blatantly violating immigration laws. They would never, i know
- Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
  > corporate execs blatantly violating immigration laws That's the fun part. They all are violating immigration laws. The country is run on cheap immigrate labor. What we are seeing is selective enforcement.
  - dilyevsky 1y ago
    > What we are seeing is selective enforcement. Doesn't appear to be the case considering all the ICE news lately... On the contrary seems like they're enforcing white-collar immigration laws too now. Also i'm willing to bet it was a tip off by a pissed off vendor or local union or something.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
      > seems like they're enforcing white-collar immigration laws too now Are they applying them to equally to corps that are politically connected to, and give big money to Trump?
      - dilyevsky 1y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

metalman 1y ago

the picture is that these workers must have been in the US under a completly above board legal framework to build out a battery plant and presumably they are a specialised ,experienced work force, under contract, Korea right, one of the most orderly countrys on the planet, rich too, tell them to go home, they go home so this must be a contrived way to eliminate competition, after all of the contracts were signed. reputational damage to the US is incalculable and a strategic retreat by all other countrys becomes likely these people came with there familys, were detained at work, with there kids comming home from school to no parents full tilt, psycho freak move

dilyevsky 1y ago
If they were all working on b1/b2 visas (like actually setting up lines and doing other work and not just training locals) as this source is claiming[0] it’s a clear violation and slam dunk case. They will be deported and barred entry for like 10 years. Also these laws were on the books since forever just hard to enforce unless someone is being completely obvious which seems to be the case here [0] - https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ice-raid-hyundai-plant-georgia-021501258.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ice-raid-hyundai-plant-georgia-021...
- metalman 1y ago
  Right, but my point is that isueing (very embarassing) orders for those workers, to leave, knowing that these workers would have only the vaugest, or no, notion of the laws involved in the contract, as they very likely could not fill out any of the paper work themselves, VS a mass arrest that will likely derail further investment from some of the major allies of the US. The net effect of this and other actions looks something like a modern equivilant of the Chinese "Cultural Revolution", but with an economy vastly more integrated and dependent with the rest of the world, but with no clear policy statement, and edicts bieng issued and revoked on a day to day basis. The US could have told the Korean's , go home, in a soto voice, they would blush, go home, and ask for another chance to do business, that it was 500 workers @ a major new car plant means that they were given some sort of "dont worry about it" verbal assurance, and have been double crossed, which is a game changer.

dilyevsky 1y ago

You can also just do it by the book and get proper l1-b visas or have them performing duties not categorized as work such as training, consulting local staff, etc (not a legal advice). Or you can do what they allegedly did and see where that gets you. Also if they were cutting corners on this what else did they cut corners on?