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Okay, I'm going to try it, but why didn't you link the information on how to integrate it with Claude Code: https://docs.z.ai/scenario-example/develop-tools/cla

by arjie 1y ago

Okay, I'm going to try it, but why didn't you link the information on how to integrate it with Claude Code: https://docs.z.ai/scenario-example/develop-tools/claude https://docs.z.ai/scenario-example/develop-tools/claude Chinese software always has such a design language: - prepaid and then use credit to subscribe - strange serif font - that slider thing for captcha But I'm going to try it out now.

vincirufus 1y ago
Ahh bugger I pasted the wrong link I had this one open in another tab..
tonyhart7 1y ago
I called it "chinnese chatpcha", back then chinnese chaptcha is so much harder than western counterpart but now gchaptcha spam me with 5 different image if I missing a tiles for crossroad, so chinnese chaptcha is much better in my opinion also there is variant that match the image based on shadow and different order of shape its much better in my opinion because its use much more interactivity, solving western chaptcha is so much mind numbing now that they require you at least multiple image identification for crossroad,sign,cars etc they want those self driving car are they
- awestroke 1y ago
  I assume both of the approaches are useless at actually stopping bots
  - whatevermom 1y ago
    They deter newbies but this is not a problem for experienced developers.
  - varelse 1y ago
    [dead]
Szpadel 1y ago
you can use any model with Claude code thanks to https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router but in my testing other models do not work well, looks like prompts are either very optimized for Claude, or other models are just not great yet with such agentic environment I was especially disappointed with grok code. it is very fast as advertised but in generating spaces and new lines in function calling until it hits max tokens. I wonder if that isn't why it gets so much tokens on openrouter. gpt-5 just wasn't using the tools very well I didn't tested glm yet, but with current anthropic subscription value, alternative would need to be very cheap if you consider daily use edit: I noticed that also have very inexpensive subscription https://z.ai/subscribe https://z.ai/subscribe, if they trained model to work well with CC this might actually be viable alternative
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  You don't need claude code router to use GLM, just set the env var to the GLM url. Also, I generally advise people not to bother with claude code router, Bifrost can do the same job and it's much better software.
  - Szpadel 1y ago
    I wasn't aware that there is an alternative Quick glance over readme suggest it's only openai compatible but I also found HN post [1] explaining use of claude code with ollama But anyways, claude-code-router have advantage of allowing request transformers, those are required for getting GitHub copilot as provider and grok-code limitations to messages format. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45127509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45127509
  - vitorgrs 1y ago
    That's only if you are using on Z.AI API platform... If you are using from OpenRouter, Chutes, Vercel then it's different (or they expose Anthropics API style and I don't know)
- sdesol 1y ago
  > But in my testing, other models do not work well. It looks like prompts are either very optimized for Claude, or other models are just not great yet with such an agentic environment. Anybody who has done any serious development with LLMs would know that prompts are not universal. The reason why Claude Code is good is because Anthropic knows Claude Sonnet is good, and that they only need to create prompts that work well with their models. They also have the ability to train their models to work with specific tools and so forth. It really is a kind of fool's errand to try to create agents that can work well with many different models from different providers.
partyboy 1y ago
> prepaid and then use credit to subscribe This is mainly because Chinese online payment infrastructure didn't have good support for subscriptions or auto payments (at least until relatively recently) so this pattern is the norm
- rfoo 1y ago
  It's more of a culture thing. People just hate the concept of "idk how much I'm going to pay let's just try this and find out later". Also people would be confused as they expect things to be prepaid, so if you let them use the service they'd think it's a free trial or something, unless you literally put very big, clear price tag and require like triple confirmation. If not and you ask them to pay later they would perceive this as unfair deceptive tricks, and may scam you by report the loss of their credit card (!), because apparently disputing transactions in China is super hard.
- tw1984 1y ago
  I have been using alipay to pay for my Tencent Video monthly subscription for the past 8-9 years.
d4rkp4ttern 1y ago
For models available via Anthropic-compatible (currently Kimi-K2, GLM, Deepseek), the simplest way to use them with CC is by setting up a function in .zshrc: https://github.com/pchalasani/claude-code-tools/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#using-claude-code-with-open-weight-anthropic-api-compatible-llm-providers https://github.com/pchalasani/claude-code-tools/tree/main?ta... Surprised that Qwen didn’t do the same, (though I know they have their own CLI-coding agent).
- renewiltord 1y ago
  That's what I did to try it out but you don't have to export the vars. VAR=value cmd Will work to run cmd with value for VAR. Honestly it works pretty well. I wonder how much of the magic is in Claude code the tool and prompts vs the LLM
- laiso 1y ago
  >Surprised that Qwen didn’t do the same, It can be used with the following endpoint, but it's not particularly good export ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=https://dashscope-intl.aliyuncs.com/api/v2/apps/claude-code-proxy https://dashscope-intl.aliyuncs.com/api/v2/apps/claude-code-... By the way, I'm benchmarking these comparisons: https://github.com/laiso/ts-bench/blob/main/src/agents/builders/claude.ts https://github.com/laiso/ts-bench/blob/main/src/agents/build...
vitorgrs 1y ago
I actually love Chinese captcha lol No idea why mostly only them use...

by arjie 1y ago

vincirufus 1y ago

Ahh bugger I pasted the wrong link I had this one open in another tab..

tonyhart7 1y ago

I called it "chinnese chatpcha", back then chinnese chaptcha is so much harder than western counterpart but now gchaptcha spam me with 5 different image if I missing a tiles for crossroad, so chinnese chaptcha is much better in my opinion also there is variant that match the image based on shadow and different order of shape its much better in my opinion because its use much more interactivity, solving western chaptcha is so much mind numbing now that they require you at least multiple image identification for crossroad,sign,cars etc they want those self driving car are they

awestroke 1y ago
I assume both of the approaches are useless at actually stopping bots
- whatevermom 1y ago
  They deter newbies but this is not a problem for experienced developers.
- varelse 1y ago
  [dead]

Szpadel 1y ago

you can use any model with Claude code thanks to https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router but in my testing other models do not work well, looks like prompts are either very optimized for Claude, or other models are just not great yet with such agentic environment I was especially disappointed with grok code. it is very fast as advertised but in generating spaces and new lines in function calling until it hits max tokens. I wonder if that isn't why it gets so much tokens on openrouter. gpt-5 just wasn't using the tools very well I didn't tested glm yet, but with current anthropic subscription value, alternative would need to be very cheap if you consider daily use edit: I noticed that also have very inexpensive subscription https://z.ai/subscribe https://z.ai/subscribe, if they trained model to work well with CC this might actually be viable alternative

CuriouslyC 1y ago
You don't need claude code router to use GLM, just set the env var to the GLM url. Also, I generally advise people not to bother with claude code router, Bifrost can do the same job and it's much better software.
- Szpadel 1y ago
  I wasn't aware that there is an alternative Quick glance over readme suggest it's only openai compatible but I also found HN post [1] explaining use of claude code with ollama But anyways, claude-code-router have advantage of allowing request transformers, those are required for getting GitHub copilot as provider and grok-code limitations to messages format. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45127509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45127509
- vitorgrs 1y ago
  That's only if you are using on Z.AI API platform... If you are using from OpenRouter, Chutes, Vercel then it's different (or they expose Anthropics API style and I don't know)
sdesol 1y ago
> But in my testing, other models do not work well. It looks like prompts are either very optimized for Claude, or other models are just not great yet with such an agentic environment. Anybody who has done any serious development with LLMs would know that prompts are not universal. The reason why Claude Code is good is because Anthropic knows Claude Sonnet is good, and that they only need to create prompts that work well with their models. They also have the ability to train their models to work with specific tools and so forth. It really is a kind of fool's errand to try to create agents that can work well with many different models from different providers.

partyboy 1y ago

> prepaid and then use credit to subscribe This is mainly because Chinese online payment infrastructure didn't have good support for subscriptions or auto payments (at least until relatively recently) so this pattern is the norm

rfoo 1y ago
It's more of a culture thing. People just hate the concept of "idk how much I'm going to pay let's just try this and find out later". Also people would be confused as they expect things to be prepaid, so if you let them use the service they'd think it's a free trial or something, unless you literally put very big, clear price tag and require like triple confirmation. If not and you ask them to pay later they would perceive this as unfair deceptive tricks, and may scam you by report the loss of their credit card (!), because apparently disputing transactions in China is super hard.
tw1984 1y ago
I have been using alipay to pay for my Tencent Video monthly subscription for the past 8-9 years.

d4rkp4ttern 1y ago

For models available via Anthropic-compatible (currently Kimi-K2, GLM, Deepseek), the simplest way to use them with CC is by setting up a function in .zshrc: https://github.com/pchalasani/claude-code-tools/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#using-claude-code-with-open-weight-anthropic-api-compatible-llm-providers https://github.com/pchalasani/claude-code-tools/tree/main?ta... Surprised that Qwen didn’t do the same, (though I know they have their own CLI-coding agent).

renewiltord 1y ago
That's what I did to try it out but you don't have to export the vars. VAR=value cmd Will work to run cmd with value for VAR. Honestly it works pretty well. I wonder how much of the magic is in Claude code the tool and prompts vs the LLM
laiso 1y ago
>Surprised that Qwen didn’t do the same, It can be used with the following endpoint, but it's not particularly good export ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=https://dashscope-intl.aliyuncs.com/api/v2/apps/claude-code-proxy https://dashscope-intl.aliyuncs.com/api/v2/apps/claude-code-... By the way, I'm benchmarking these comparisons: https://github.com/laiso/ts-bench/blob/main/src/agents/builders/claude.ts https://github.com/laiso/ts-bench/blob/main/src/agents/build...

vitorgrs 1y ago

I actually love Chinese captcha lol No idea why mostly only them use...