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They are doing 30k passengers a day. That's not pathetic lol

Larrikin 1y ago
Compared to transit in any other city in the world it's ridiculously pathetic. Compared to American cities it is just pathetic.
- DoesntMatter22 1y ago
  Not at all. It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions. Name me any other form of transportation that was built so affordably in the US and moves this many people while not impacting street traffic? By comparison the Vegas Monorail cost 5x as much, took 1/3rd longer to build, and takes roughly a third of the passengers that the Boring tunnel does. This is a huge win for Las Vegas, and they continue to build out because it's worked out well for them.
  - guax 1y ago
    > It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions So are modern subways. Cost is a major point tho, subways are designed to move waaaaay more than 30k people a day for much less, but costs of building are much higher. This is only 1.7 miles and a novelty, I would not know If the differences hold for Tesla on other places or when scaling up. My suspicious is that it does not. I also wonder that if you use the same tunnel they did but modify the cars to run by themselves using traditional techniques, would the operation get cheaper but the shortcomings be more glaring.
    - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
      Vegas now has 5 stations and is 2.2 miles. Can you realistically compare it to a billion dollar a mile sub at line that would take a decade to build (or more)? 30k a day is a nearly a million a month and costs are low by comparison (no expensive subway cars etc).
      - Larrikin 1y ago
        This is nothing compared to Tokyo Metro, or even the New York subway. Stop comparing failures to other failures like they are successes.
        DoesntMatter22 1y ago
        You are comparing the Vegas loop to a tunnel in Tokyo the biggest metro on earth. That's like saying a car is slow because it's not a spaceship.
        Larrikin 1y ago
        Can you cite that Tokyo is the biggest metro?
        DoesntMatter22 1y ago
        When I say metro I'm talking about metropolitan area not the subway. Tokyo has 37 million people so it's comical to compare it las vegas which has less than 700k. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
  - Ekaros 1y ago
    Have you actually looked what some of their extensions look like? Please go look at Encore station on Vegas Loop. And come back telling me it is below ground... And that is not only place. Overall it looks like right mess. Including very scalable solutions like single tunnels to some stations...
CyberMacGyver 1y ago
Just ask yourself if Tesla cannot be autonomous in their own merely 2 mile long tunnel with only trained teslas drivers how can you believe any other promises ?
- DoesntMatter22 1y ago
  Self-driving is literally the hardest task that humans have ever tried to accomplish. It's not like somebody else did it and they didn't.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    Between Waymo and Comma.ai, yes they did. Not in those goofy tunnels, but the underlying tech is there. So then why are the Vegas tunnels not self-driving? Tesla FSD works great in select places right now! How is the tunnel not one of them?
    - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
      They are testing it in the tunnel currently. I'm all seriousness, if they do achieve FSD in the tunnel what will you say then? That it was a waste?
      - fragmede 1y ago
        My opinion makes no difference in the scheme of things, but yes, I'd still think it's a waste. There's a monorail. Spend the money on making that suck less instead. https://youtu.be/VPjODKUxV5g https://youtu.be/VPjODKUxV5g is where I'm coming from. The section of the system, where there's one tunnel, so the previous car has to clear the tunnel before the next vehicle can go, seems particularly stupid.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 1y ago
    Setting a lofty goal and failing is not to be rewarded or congratulated, or in this case compensated . There are other stuff to do in the world both as far as technological advancement and leisure that could fill that time and man hours and produce a tangible ROI as opposed to "we are failing but at least we are trying" By the same token the next goal set by Musk would be creating a wormhole if he hasn't said it already considering the amount of drugs that he takes. Many people conflate the reasoning that is prevalent in SV for founders where they say "there is no price for failure". That is maybe true for the individual not when trillions of man hours and trillions of dollars are allocated.

Compared to transit in any other city in the world it's ridiculously pathetic. Compared to American cities it is just pathetic.

DoesntMatter22 1y ago
Not at all. It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions. Name me any other form of transportation that was built so affordably in the US and moves this many people while not impacting street traffic? By comparison the Vegas Monorail cost 5x as much, took 1/3rd longer to build, and takes roughly a third of the passengers that the Boring tunnel does. This is a huge win for Las Vegas, and they continue to build out because it's worked out well for them.
- guax 1y ago
  > It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions So are modern subways. Cost is a major point tho, subways are designed to move waaaaay more than 30k people a day for much less, but costs of building are much higher. This is only 1.7 miles and a novelty, I would not know If the differences hold for Tesla on other places or when scaling up. My suspicious is that it does not. I also wonder that if you use the same tunnel they did but modify the cars to run by themselves using traditional techniques, would the operation get cheaper but the shortcomings be more glaring.
  - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
    Vegas now has 5 stations and is 2.2 miles. Can you realistically compare it to a billion dollar a mile sub at line that would take a decade to build (or more)? 30k a day is a nearly a million a month and costs are low by comparison (no expensive subway cars etc).
    - Larrikin 1y ago
      This is nothing compared to Tokyo Metro, or even the New York subway. Stop comparing failures to other failures like they are successes.
      - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
        You are comparing the Vegas loop to a tunnel in Tokyo the biggest metro on earth. That's like saying a car is slow because it's not a spaceship.
        Larrikin 1y ago
        Can you cite that Tokyo is the biggest metro?
        DoesntMatter22 1y ago
        When I say metro I'm talking about metropolitan area not the subway. Tokyo has 37 million people so it's comical to compare it las vegas which has less than 700k. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
- Ekaros 1y ago
  Have you actually looked what some of their extensions look like? Please go look at Encore station on Vegas Loop. And come back telling me it is below ground... And that is not only place. Overall it looks like right mess. Including very scalable solutions like single tunnels to some stations...

CyberMacGyver 1y ago

Just ask yourself if Tesla cannot be autonomous in their own merely 2 mile long tunnel with only trained teslas drivers how can you believe any other promises ?

DoesntMatter22 1y ago
Self-driving is literally the hardest task that humans have ever tried to accomplish. It's not like somebody else did it and they didn't.
- fragmede 1y ago
  Between Waymo and Comma.ai, yes they did. Not in those goofy tunnels, but the underlying tech is there. So then why are the Vegas tunnels not self-driving? Tesla FSD works great in select places right now! How is the tunnel not one of them?
  - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
    They are testing it in the tunnel currently. I'm all seriousness, if they do achieve FSD in the tunnel what will you say then? That it was a waste?
    - fragmede 1y ago
      My opinion makes no difference in the scheme of things, but yes, I'd still think it's a waste. There's a monorail. Spend the money on making that suck less instead. https://youtu.be/VPjODKUxV5g https://youtu.be/VPjODKUxV5g is where I'm coming from. The section of the system, where there's one tunnel, so the previous car has to clear the tunnel before the next vehicle can go, seems particularly stupid.
- JumpinJack_Cash 1y ago
  Setting a lofty goal and failing is not to be rewarded or congratulated, or in this case compensated . There are other stuff to do in the world both as far as technological advancement and leisure that could fill that time and man hours and produce a tangible ROI as opposed to "we are failing but at least we are trying" By the same token the next goal set by Musk would be creating a wormhole if he hasn't said it already considering the amount of drugs that he takes. Many people conflate the reasoning that is prevalent in SV for founders where they say "there is no price for failure". That is maybe true for the individual not when trillions of man hours and trillions of dollars are allocated.