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Yup. And if Anthropic CEO or whoever wants to drive down to the library and check out 30 books (or whatever the limit is), scan them, and then return them that

Yup. And if Anthropic CEO or whoever wants to drive down to the library and check out 30 books (or whatever the limit is), scan them, and then return them that is their prerogative I guess.

mdp2021 1y ago
Scanning (copying) is¹ not allowed. Reading is. What is in a library, you can freely read. Find the most appropriate way. You do not need to have bought the book. ¹(Edit: or /may/ not be allowed, see posts below.)
- jrockway 1y ago
  There are no terms and conditions attached to library books beyond copyright law (which says nothing about scanning) and the general premise of being a library (return the book in good condition on time or pay).
  - mdp2021 1y ago
    Copyright law in the USA may be more liberal about scanning than other jurisdictions (see the parallel comment from gpm), which expressly regulate the amount of copying of material you do not own as an item.
    - gpm 1y ago
      The jurisdictions I'm familiar with all give vague fair use/fair dealing exceptions which would cover some but not all copying (including scanning) with less than clear boundaries. I'd be interested to know if you knew of one with bright line rules delineating what is and isn't allowed.
      - mdp2021 1y ago
        > if you knew of one with bright line rules (I know by practice but not from the letter of the law; to give you details I should do some research and it will take time - if I will manage to I will send you an email, but I doubt I will be able to do it soon. The focus is anyway on western European Countries.)
  - bandrami 1y ago
    Scanning in a way that results in a copy of the book being saved is a right reserved to the holder of the copyright
- gpm 1y ago
  Scanning is, under the right circumstances, allowed in the US, at least per the Second Circuit appeals court (Connecticut, New York, Vermont): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild%2C_Inc._v._Google%2C_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild%2C_Inc._v._Googl....
  - rvnx 1y ago
    They (OpenAI and Anthropic) operate their platform and distributes these copyrighted works outside, where these foreign laws applies

Yup. And if Anthropic CEO or whoever wants to drive down to the library and check out 30 books (or whatever the limit is), scan them, and then return them that is their prerogative I guess.

mdp2021 1y ago

Scanning (copying) is¹ not allowed. Reading is. What is in a library, you can freely read. Find the most appropriate way. You do not need to have bought the book. ¹(Edit: or /may/ not be allowed, see posts below.)

jrockway 1y ago
There are no terms and conditions attached to library books beyond copyright law (which says nothing about scanning) and the general premise of being a library (return the book in good condition on time or pay).
- mdp2021 1y ago
  Copyright law in the USA may be more liberal about scanning than other jurisdictions (see the parallel comment from gpm), which expressly regulate the amount of copying of material you do not own as an item.
  - gpm 1y ago
    The jurisdictions I'm familiar with all give vague fair use/fair dealing exceptions which would cover some but not all copying (including scanning) with less than clear boundaries. I'd be interested to know if you knew of one with bright line rules delineating what is and isn't allowed.
    - mdp2021 1y ago
      > if you knew of one with bright line rules (I know by practice but not from the letter of the law; to give you details I should do some research and it will take time - if I will manage to I will send you an email, but I doubt I will be able to do it soon. The focus is anyway on western European Countries.)
- bandrami 1y ago
  Scanning in a way that results in a copy of the book being saved is a right reserved to the holder of the copyright
gpm 1y ago
Scanning is, under the right circumstances, allowed in the US, at least per the Second Circuit appeals court (Connecticut, New York, Vermont): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild%2C_Inc._v._Google%2C_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild%2C_Inc._v._Googl....
- rvnx 1y ago
  They (OpenAI and Anthropic) operate their platform and distributes these copyrighted works outside, where these foreign laws applies