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Lot's of internet porn is either real or simulated abuse. I'm not an expert but based on anecdotal experience abuse kinks are largely related to some history of

Lot's of internet porn is either real or simulated abuse. I'm not an expert but based on anecdotal experience abuse kinks are largely related to some history of abuse or trauma experienced by the individual. I think it's fine for adults to have these kinks and explore their sexuality but exposing it to children can normalize sexual abuse among youths, which again I am close with someone who's had a personal experience with this.

mdp2021 1y ago
But what do you mean with "can". Children are exposed to liars, to fools, to the stupid, to the unwise, to the corrupted in malice, to the weak in will... Since a very young age. «Exposing» such frequent faults to children does not «normalize» it. It may, if the child is in a generally bad environment - but then, the target is the core environment, not the outer experience.
- animal_spirits 1y ago
  Yes there are "bad" things children can be exposed to. But the difference is the lifelong real trauma caused by sexual abuse. Yes kids can learn lying from the internet, or see people smoking, etc. But if you are a pre-teen that sexually abuses another pre-teen (which happens _very_ common surprisingly) it has an enormous capacity for harm compared to other "bad" things. With this and that it's much easier to regulate, I think it is worth the trade-offs.
  - mdp2021 1y ago
    > easier to regulate Not really easy, I'd say. > trade-offs If you mean barring general access, than your evaluation is debatable. But especially: if the concern is with some forms of possibly "certified traumatic" depictions (and I believe this would raise a hell of a needed research and nuances revelation), why not just attacking the "certified traumatic" depictions?
tennisflyi 1y ago
> Lot's of internet porn is either real or simulated abuse. That's my gripe. Vixen is veeeery different than some other websites under the guise of "porn" - they're going to ruin it for all of us

mdp2021 1y ago

But what do you mean with "can". Children are exposed to liars, to fools, to the stupid, to the unwise, to the corrupted in malice, to the weak in will... Since a very young age. «Exposing» such frequent faults to children does not «normalize» it. It may, if the child is in a generally bad environment - but then, the target is the core environment, not the outer experience.

animal_spirits 1y ago
Yes there are "bad" things children can be exposed to. But the difference is the lifelong real trauma caused by sexual abuse. Yes kids can learn lying from the internet, or see people smoking, etc. But if you are a pre-teen that sexually abuses another pre-teen (which happens _very_ common surprisingly) it has an enormous capacity for harm compared to other "bad" things. With this and that it's much easier to regulate, I think it is worth the trade-offs.
- mdp2021 1y ago
  > easier to regulate Not really easy, I'd say. > trade-offs If you mean barring general access, than your evaluation is debatable. But especially: if the concern is with some forms of possibly "certified traumatic" depictions (and I believe this would raise a hell of a needed research and nuances revelation), why not just attacking the "certified traumatic" depictions?

tennisflyi 1y ago

> Lot's of internet porn is either real or simulated abuse. That's my gripe. Vixen is veeeery different than some other websites under the guise of "porn" - they're going to ruin it for all of us