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As someone who is not in the world of surrogacy: how much control does someone typically have over a surrogate during the pregnancy? Also what are you supposed

As someone who is not in the world of surrogacy: how much control does someone typically have over a surrogate during the pregnancy? Also what are you supposed to do in the event a surrogate has irreparable harm like losing a uterus or death?

tuckerman 1y ago
> how much control does someone typically have over a surrogate during the pregnancy Very little, ultimately the healthcare the surrogate is receiving is _her_ healthcare. > what are you supposed to do in the event a surrogate has irreparable harm These things are spelled out in the contract that the IPs have with their surrogate. Both things you mention are specifically called in our contract and the agency/IPs usually have insurance to cover these cases. Source: I had my son through surrogacy
bigbadfeline 1y ago
> how much control does someone typically have over a surrogate during the pregnancy? The original article makes it clear: The product is fully controlled all the way to "The Island" [1] And that is achieved not by direct legislation but by the lack of it. That lack is filled by contract law and an expensive, convoluted legal system which puts the surrogates in a precariously vulnerable position. >> tuckerman: Very little [control], ultimately the healthcare the surrogate is receiving is _her_ healthcare. That means, if something goes wrong the surrogates are stuck with med bills too, in addition to the legal ones. [1] "The Island" 2005, recommended viewing, the movie might be available on big tube.
- tuckerman 1y ago
  > That means, if something goes wrong the surrogates are stuck with med bills too, in addition to the legal ones. This is not true. Our contract, which was extremely standard, made us assume all medical expenses related to the pregnancy, including any complications that could have occurred afterwards. If anything happened to her health insurance coverage we would have also had to pay for premiums for new coverage.
  - bigbadfeline 1y ago
    Good for you, but not all contracts are like that, as is the case in the orig article. I'm not concerned about individual cases but about systemic risks.
    - tuckerman 1y ago
      The original comment asked what is typical, I am commenting what is typical. What you describe would be extremely atypical and I can’t imagine any lawyer representing a surrogate would allow that to stand. It’s also nearly universal for IPs to cover legal fees for the surrogate to have an independent representation. California, as an example, has laws mandating that IPs and Surrogates have separate attorneys for the process. I think most supporters of surrogacy would approve of common sense laws like that everywhere but even without them it’s very standard.
      - bigbadfeline 1y ago
        > What you describe would be extremely atypical Well, we're commenting on an article describing such a case and there's no study telling us that it's atypical. > I can’t imagine any lawyer representing a surrogate would allow that to stand. Well, I can and I'd rather nor leave it to the imagination. I understand surrogate clients, but many of them don't seem to understand that taking a narrow, egoistical view and wanting all options available to them actually limits the pool of willing surrogates. One of the many cases where greed works against itself and needs correcting nudges from the law.

tuckerman 1y ago

> how much control does someone typically have over a surrogate during the pregnancy Very little, ultimately the healthcare the surrogate is receiving is _her_ healthcare. > what are you supposed to do in the event a surrogate has irreparable harm These things are spelled out in the contract that the IPs have with their surrogate. Both things you mention are specifically called in our contract and the agency/IPs usually have insurance to cover these cases. Source: I had my son through surrogacy

bigbadfeline 1y ago

> how much control does someone typically have over a surrogate during the pregnancy? The original article makes it clear: The product is fully controlled all the way to "The Island" [1] And that is achieved not by direct legislation but by the lack of it. That lack is filled by contract law and an expensive, convoluted legal system which puts the surrogates in a precariously vulnerable position. >> tuckerman: Very little [control], ultimately the healthcare the surrogate is receiving is _her_ healthcare. That means, if something goes wrong the surrogates are stuck with med bills too, in addition to the legal ones. [1] "The Island" 2005, recommended viewing, the movie might be available on big tube.

tuckerman 1y ago
> That means, if something goes wrong the surrogates are stuck with med bills too, in addition to the legal ones. This is not true. Our contract, which was extremely standard, made us assume all medical expenses related to the pregnancy, including any complications that could have occurred afterwards. If anything happened to her health insurance coverage we would have also had to pay for premiums for new coverage.
- bigbadfeline 1y ago
  Good for you, but not all contracts are like that, as is the case in the orig article. I'm not concerned about individual cases but about systemic risks.
  - tuckerman 1y ago
    The original comment asked what is typical, I am commenting what is typical. What you describe would be extremely atypical and I can’t imagine any lawyer representing a surrogate would allow that to stand. It’s also nearly universal for IPs to cover legal fees for the surrogate to have an independent representation. California, as an example, has laws mandating that IPs and Surrogates have separate attorneys for the process. I think most supporters of surrogacy would approve of common sense laws like that everywhere but even without them it’s very standard.
    - bigbadfeline 1y ago
      > What you describe would be extremely atypical Well, we're commenting on an article describing such a case and there's no study telling us that it's atypical. > I can’t imagine any lawyer representing a surrogate would allow that to stand. Well, I can and I'd rather nor leave it to the imagination. I understand surrogate clients, but many of them don't seem to understand that taking a narrow, egoistical view and wanting all options available to them actually limits the pool of willing surrogates. One of the many cases where greed works against itself and needs correcting nudges from the law.