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As an European, I wish you were right, but I’m afraid you aren’t. The EU would use public funding to build some sort of Google alternative and it would take ag

As an European, I wish you were right, but I’m afraid you aren’t. The EU would use public funding to build some sort of Google alternative and it would take ages, would be mediocre and most money would go to waste. Instead of incentivising entrepreneurship, which is what they probably should do. We live very well in the EU. We don’t have to have millions in savings in order to retire. Strong worker protection. Plenty of time off. Low crime rates. Most people fantasise with becoming rich, but as in, “I had a rich aunt that I didn’t even meet in my life and I was the sole heir” or “I won the lottery”, not as in “I grinded for the best 10 years of my life working 100 hours per week before I sold my company” that seems more prevalent in the US. Ordinary people here are super happy if they can buy a small place to live (not a humongous house) even if it takes 25 years to pay it in full, then finish work at 5 and take their kids to the park and have dinner at some restaurant on Saturday. OTOH: I think the current US administration is the best think that could happen to the EU, a big wake up call. Suddenly there’s money to invest in Defense and that kind of thing. Also, hopefully LLMs will diminish Google’s importance, and as long as there’s competitive models not from the US (Mistral, DeepSeek) we might be fine. But Google holds all the cards (data). With stuff like the Harvard animosity they might even stop attracting all the foreign talent. Apple? There’s Samsung for phones at least. Amazon? They’ve become a Temu/Aliexpress. Facebook… huge win if they stopped doing business in Europe. MS? This is the year of Linux in desktop? The Cloud is one of those things where the EU could build something competitive/alternative just with public funding. All running on Linux, of course.

holoduke 1y ago
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- Xenoamorphous 1y ago
  Wish you could know what they (media) tell us about the US over here…
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    Yes the voices echo all around the globe of what's happening in the US. Surprisingly the only place it isn't heard is in some places of US. But I still feel like some points raised by the gp might be right. And I was laughing a little thinking that someone critizing the EU already makes you consider them as an american. Like its just funny. Also, I feel like every country has problems but countries should honestly first and foremost try to stay away from corruption and the billionaires/rich people's influence in general and try to be impartial. I do think that EU might be good in that but still, I sometimes wonder if this all might be a facade in the sense that EU wants to work and they want to show something for it and so that's why they are fining google only almost 3 billion$. Like maybe my trust in political systems is a little too faded seeing US instititutions erode in days (speaking as non american but I really admired american politics, not anymore)
    - Xenoamorphous 1y ago
      > And I was laughing a little thinking that someone critizing the EU already makes you consider them as an american. Look at the comments in this post. The always pro-privacy, anti-ads HN suddenly moaning about this fine. Now that’s super funny and worth of a good laugh. Of course it’s an America vs EU thing, patriotism trumps (no pun intended) all else.
      - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
        The pun is strong with this one! On a more serious note as much as you can be when you realize that discussions aren't happening in good faith and that biases like nations come... I think that why nationalism/patriotism works is that the state has a monopoly over (legal) violence / laws in general. But the only way that might work is if we believe into them & thus nations have massive wheels of (propaganda?) or whatever it might take to convince the masses to be patriotic. I feel like everyone all around the world is kinda the same man. We are homo sapiens. Nations shouldn't define us or the way we interact in an ideal world but I feel like a hypocrite when I myself defend my nation sometimes. I generally prefer decentralization to the point that we might take pride in our nations but we don't get influenced by it because the bigger the nation, the larger its influence/propaganda. I feel like switzerland might be a good example in the sense that I have heard that there are people who don't even remember the (president/prime minister's?) name while working fine. I wonder if the whole world could essentially agree on international laws while being decentralized. I just feel like that most of us are puppets and very few puppeteers in this world essentially controlling us / manipulating us into doing things that we generally wouldn't do.
- zaik 1y ago
  Which war? If you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Europe doesn't try very hard to win.
wolvesechoes 1y ago
> The EU would use public funding to build some sort of Google alternative and it would take ages, would be mediocre and most money would go to waste. Instead of incentivising entrepreneurship, which is what they probably should do. Something like web search is basicallly part of a modern digital infrastructure. We don't want entrepreneurship in water or energy supply, I don't think we should rely on it in web search, because it will inevitably end up chasing profits over everything else.
- r14c 1y ago
  Markets are good at driving cost down via competition, but once you reach a monopoly steady state there's not much left to optimize. I think a search utility would work just fine. The main barrier to entry is the huge storage and processing resources that are needed to make a good index. Google contains all the information out how to scale like that too.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    The cost for operating web search could be down dramatically, when the websites were registering instead. This would solve the scraping issue and also put websites in how their operators actually care about.
mattnewton 1y ago
> I think the current US administration is the best think that could happen to the EU, a big wake up call. Suddenly there’s money to invest in Defense and that kind of thing. Not to derail the conversation, but IMO the current US administration isn’t a wake up call. It’s a temper tantrum by people who understand that the US isn’t as relatively wealthy to the rest of the world as it was after WW2 but don’t understand why. If some of the thrash accidentally improves the West’s defensive posture or spending that’s good but there is no coherent plan of why things need to be changed.
- deleted 1y ago
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plantain 1y ago
>We live very well in the EU. We don’t have to have millions in savings in order to retire. Strong worker protection. Plenty of time off. Low crime rates. We'll see how that pans out when the baby boomers finish retiring. Europe ate it's children to feed the retirees. https://www.politico.eu/article/france-francois-bayrou-waking-up-boomer-pension-timebomb/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-francois-bayrou-wakin...
- Idesmi 1y ago
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thaumasiotes 1y ago
> Most people fantasise with becoming rich, but as in, “I had a rich aunt that I didn’t even meet in my life and I was the sole heir” or “I won the lottery”, not as in “I grinded for the best 10 years of my life working 100 hours per week before I sold my company” that seems more prevalent in the US. I promise you that within the US, each of those first two fantasies is more popular than the third one.

holoduke 1y ago

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Xenoamorphous 1y ago
Wish you could know what they (media) tell us about the US over here…
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  Yes the voices echo all around the globe of what's happening in the US. Surprisingly the only place it isn't heard is in some places of US. But I still feel like some points raised by the gp might be right. And I was laughing a little thinking that someone critizing the EU already makes you consider them as an american. Like its just funny. Also, I feel like every country has problems but countries should honestly first and foremost try to stay away from corruption and the billionaires/rich people's influence in general and try to be impartial. I do think that EU might be good in that but still, I sometimes wonder if this all might be a facade in the sense that EU wants to work and they want to show something for it and so that's why they are fining google only almost 3 billion$. Like maybe my trust in political systems is a little too faded seeing US instititutions erode in days (speaking as non american but I really admired american politics, not anymore)
  - Xenoamorphous 1y ago
    > And I was laughing a little thinking that someone critizing the EU already makes you consider them as an american. Look at the comments in this post. The always pro-privacy, anti-ads HN suddenly moaning about this fine. Now that’s super funny and worth of a good laugh. Of course it’s an America vs EU thing, patriotism trumps (no pun intended) all else.
    - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
      The pun is strong with this one! On a more serious note as much as you can be when you realize that discussions aren't happening in good faith and that biases like nations come... I think that why nationalism/patriotism works is that the state has a monopoly over (legal) violence / laws in general. But the only way that might work is if we believe into them & thus nations have massive wheels of (propaganda?) or whatever it might take to convince the masses to be patriotic. I feel like everyone all around the world is kinda the same man. We are homo sapiens. Nations shouldn't define us or the way we interact in an ideal world but I feel like a hypocrite when I myself defend my nation sometimes. I generally prefer decentralization to the point that we might take pride in our nations but we don't get influenced by it because the bigger the nation, the larger its influence/propaganda. I feel like switzerland might be a good example in the sense that I have heard that there are people who don't even remember the (president/prime minister's?) name while working fine. I wonder if the whole world could essentially agree on international laws while being decentralized. I just feel like that most of us are puppets and very few puppeteers in this world essentially controlling us / manipulating us into doing things that we generally wouldn't do.
zaik 1y ago
Which war? If you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Europe doesn't try very hard to win.

wolvesechoes 1y ago

> The EU would use public funding to build some sort of Google alternative and it would take ages, would be mediocre and most money would go to waste. Instead of incentivising entrepreneurship, which is what they probably should do. Something like web search is basicallly part of a modern digital infrastructure. We don't want entrepreneurship in water or energy supply, I don't think we should rely on it in web search, because it will inevitably end up chasing profits over everything else.

r14c 1y ago
Markets are good at driving cost down via competition, but once you reach a monopoly steady state there's not much left to optimize. I think a search utility would work just fine. The main barrier to entry is the huge storage and processing resources that are needed to make a good index. Google contains all the information out how to scale like that too.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  The cost for operating web search could be down dramatically, when the websites were registering instead. This would solve the scraping issue and also put websites in how their operators actually care about.

mattnewton 1y ago

> I think the current US administration is the best think that could happen to the EU, a big wake up call. Suddenly there’s money to invest in Defense and that kind of thing. Not to derail the conversation, but IMO the current US administration isn’t a wake up call. It’s a temper tantrum by people who understand that the US isn’t as relatively wealthy to the rest of the world as it was after WW2 but don’t understand why. If some of the thrash accidentally improves the West’s defensive posture or spending that’s good but there is no coherent plan of why things need to be changed.

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plantain 1y ago

>We live very well in the EU. We don’t have to have millions in savings in order to retire. Strong worker protection. Plenty of time off. Low crime rates. We'll see how that pans out when the baby boomers finish retiring. Europe ate it's children to feed the retirees. https://www.politico.eu/article/france-francois-bayrou-waking-up-boomer-pension-timebomb/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-francois-bayrou-wakin...

Idesmi 1y ago
its

thaumasiotes 1y ago

> Most people fantasise with becoming rich, but as in, “I had a rich aunt that I didn’t even meet in my life and I was the sole heir” or “I won the lottery”, not as in “I grinded for the best 10 years of my life working 100 hours per week before I sold my company” that seems more prevalent in the US. I promise you that within the US, each of those first two fantasies is more popular than the third one.