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> There is no single language with a rich enough ecosystem that can provide literally all of the aforementioned functionality besides Python. Have a hard time

> There is no single language with a rich enough ecosystem that can provide literally all of the aforementioned functionality besides Python. Have a hard time believing C++ and Java don't have rich enough ecosystems. Not saying they make for good glue languages, but everything was being written in those languages before Python became this popular.

j2kun 1y ago
Yeah the OP here listed a bunch of Python stuff that all ends up shelling out to C++. C++ is rich enough, period, but people find it unpleasant to work in (which I agree with). It's not about "richness," it's about giving a language ecosystem for people who don't really want to do the messy, low-level parts of software, and which can encapsulate the performance-critical parts with easy glue
- FuckButtons 1y ago
  I mean, you’ve basically described why people use Python, it’s a way to use C/C++ without having to write it.
  - anakaine 1y ago
    And ill take that reason every single day. I could spend days or more working out particular issues in C++, or I could use a much nicer to use glue language with a great ecosystem and a huge community driving it and get the same task done in minutes to hours.
- lairv 1y ago
  I tried to statically link DuckDB to one of my C++ project earlier this year and it took me 3 days to have something working on Windows/Linux/MacOS (just to be able to use the dependency) While I'm not a C++ expert, doing the same in Python is just one pip install away, so yeah both "richness" and "ease of use" of the ecosystem matters
  - j2kun 1y ago
    You made my point for me: DuckDB is already in C++ (so C++ is rich enough), but hard to glue with other pieces, and you don't want to put in that effort, so you use Python.
flourpower471 1y ago
Ever tried to write a web scraper in c++?
- j2kun 1y ago
  Every company that does web scraping has one. My point is that it's not about RICHNESS (what can be done) because everything mentioned by the OP is already done in C++.

j2kun 1y ago

Yeah the OP here listed a bunch of Python stuff that all ends up shelling out to C++. C++ is rich enough, period, but people find it unpleasant to work in (which I agree with). It's not about "richness," it's about giving a language ecosystem for people who don't really want to do the messy, low-level parts of software, and which can encapsulate the performance-critical parts with easy glue

FuckButtons 1y ago
I mean, you’ve basically described why people use Python, it’s a way to use C/C++ without having to write it.
- anakaine 1y ago
  And ill take that reason every single day. I could spend days or more working out particular issues in C++, or I could use a much nicer to use glue language with a great ecosystem and a huge community driving it and get the same task done in minutes to hours.
lairv 1y ago
I tried to statically link DuckDB to one of my C++ project earlier this year and it took me 3 days to have something working on Windows/Linux/MacOS (just to be able to use the dependency) While I'm not a C++ expert, doing the same in Python is just one pip install away, so yeah both "richness" and "ease of use" of the ecosystem matters
- j2kun 1y ago
  You made my point for me: DuckDB is already in C++ (so C++ is rich enough), but hard to glue with other pieces, and you don't want to put in that effort, so you use Python.

flourpower471 1y ago

Ever tried to write a web scraper in c++?

j2kun 1y ago
Every company that does web scraping has one. My point is that it's not about RICHNESS (what can be done) because everything mentioned by the OP is already done in C++.