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Under the pretext of incompetence is the administration simply engaging in destroying the US economy to create a fortress situation in collapse that allows impl

Under the pretext of incompetence is the administration simply engaging in destroying the US economy to create a fortress situation in collapse that allows implementation of military jurisdiction? Clearly, there's a program running with an endgame.

bix6 1y ago
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- mallowdram 1y ago
  I agree, it's about converting the state to feudal, apparent regulation, under the table crypto Cyprus fealty pledges.
- PhantomHour 1y ago
  Two things to bear in mind here: 1) As much as JD Vance and his puppetmaster wishes they were the president, they are not. The tech fascism isn't happening, just regular kind. What you're seeing here with the "deregulation" is just a big fat scoop of plain corruption. Give Herr Führer a nice golden trinket and he deregulates your industry or tariffs your competitors. 2) While they are deregulating heavily, there's absolutely zero sense of "Small Government" going on. You need only look at the oppression of groups like LGBT people. There's no bigger government than controlling which toilets people use or inspecting the genitals of children if they want to participate in sports. And outside of LGBT rights, just look at the whole situation around Israel. Literal secret police going around arresting people for non-violent protest and simple thoughtcrime.
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    JD will win in 2028 even if trump survives that long, as long as their election interference goes unchecked.
    - bix6 1y ago
      This is my concern too. Even the midterms. But hopefully enough people will be fired up and watching this time.
  - bix6 1y ago
    It’s such a bummer. These oppressed people have been through enough already. Really felt like we were making progress and then these aholes just dumped it down the drain.
- tshaddox 1y ago
  > Usually fascist gov enlarges the state but in this case they’re shrinking it to loyalists controlling the tech. Privatization and increasing state authority are not mutually exclusive. On the contrary, fascist regimes in the 20th century were very notable for their intense privatization.
  - bix6 1y ago
    Yeah I’ve just heard people say it can’t be fascism because he’s shrinking the gov so I couch it in the techno angle now
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  Fascist governments often empower superficially private organizations, including giving them power over functions previously done by the state while also blurring the boundaries between state authority and private organizations; that’s just the basics of fascist corporatism.
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kennywinker 1y ago
I believe the point of this is: 1. Chaos - it’s good for kleptocracy, and is a denial-of-service attack on our attention 2. The appearance of something being done. Dems represent the status quo, people are sick of the status quo. Something appearing to happen is better than the status quo for a lot of people. Biden deported ~2x more people in 2024 than trump has so far. ICE raids are a performance. 3. Like everything else they do, it’s a shakedown. You want protection from the raids and the chaos? Come kiss the ring of your local maga don.
- mallowdram 1y ago
  I agree, but add that the mass expansion of ICE with bounty hunters, freelancers from the white nationalists with fewer deportations indicates that's freikorps into SS quasi-state paramilitary outside the legal checks.
stripe_away 1y ago
I'm less sure that there is an endgame. Seems more likely to me that it is being run as a reality TV show where the idea is to maintain a high level of viewer engagement. And no-one is thinking that the only reason reality tv shows don't end in disaster is because it is a tv show, i.e. an artificial and contained/constrained environment.
- mallowdram 1y ago
  The implementation of fascism was both across the board (legislation, edict, mass-firings, academic overthrow, consolidation, regulation, financial, trade, etc) and highly coordinated in a radically sped-up timeframe that had been planned by hundreds of people carefully sequestered in secrecy that launched day-one. That's not reality TV in the slightest. It's revolution or counter-revolution. M Gessen in contrast states it took Putin 10 years to do what Trump did in 6 months. Not only is there a carefully designed endgame, it's so well hidden in pretexts within pretexts, that journalists, opposition, even political theorists can't for certain declare it, except that it's overthrow.
tempodox 1y ago
It’s a reign of terror. Nobody knows who or what will be next on the chopping block. The only hope is to lick Trump’s boots to get an exemption. His gang practically holds the whole country hostage for ransom. Their tactics are working (in their own perception), why would they need an endgame?

bix6 1y ago

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mallowdram 1y ago
I agree, it's about converting the state to feudal, apparent regulation, under the table crypto Cyprus fealty pledges.
PhantomHour 1y ago
Two things to bear in mind here: 1) As much as JD Vance and his puppetmaster wishes they were the president, they are not. The tech fascism isn't happening, just regular kind. What you're seeing here with the "deregulation" is just a big fat scoop of plain corruption. Give Herr Führer a nice golden trinket and he deregulates your industry or tariffs your competitors. 2) While they are deregulating heavily, there's absolutely zero sense of "Small Government" going on. You need only look at the oppression of groups like LGBT people. There's no bigger government than controlling which toilets people use or inspecting the genitals of children if they want to participate in sports. And outside of LGBT rights, just look at the whole situation around Israel. Literal secret police going around arresting people for non-violent protest and simple thoughtcrime.
- Hikikomori 1y ago
  JD will win in 2028 even if trump survives that long, as long as their election interference goes unchecked.
  - bix6 1y ago
    This is my concern too. Even the midterms. But hopefully enough people will be fired up and watching this time.
- bix6 1y ago
  It’s such a bummer. These oppressed people have been through enough already. Really felt like we were making progress and then these aholes just dumped it down the drain.
tshaddox 1y ago
> Usually fascist gov enlarges the state but in this case they’re shrinking it to loyalists controlling the tech. Privatization and increasing state authority are not mutually exclusive. On the contrary, fascist regimes in the 20th century were very notable for their intense privatization.
- bix6 1y ago
  Yeah I’ve just heard people say it can’t be fascism because he’s shrinking the gov so I couch it in the techno angle now
dragonwriter 1y ago
Fascist governments often empower superficially private organizations, including giving them power over functions previously done by the state while also blurring the boundaries between state authority and private organizations; that’s just the basics of fascist corporatism.
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kennywinker 1y ago

I believe the point of this is: 1. Chaos - it’s good for kleptocracy, and is a denial-of-service attack on our attention 2. The appearance of something being done. Dems represent the status quo, people are sick of the status quo. Something appearing to happen is better than the status quo for a lot of people. Biden deported ~2x more people in 2024 than trump has so far. ICE raids are a performance. 3. Like everything else they do, it’s a shakedown. You want protection from the raids and the chaos? Come kiss the ring of your local maga don.

mallowdram 1y ago
I agree, but add that the mass expansion of ICE with bounty hunters, freelancers from the white nationalists with fewer deportations indicates that's freikorps into SS quasi-state paramilitary outside the legal checks.

stripe_away 1y ago

I'm less sure that there is an endgame. Seems more likely to me that it is being run as a reality TV show where the idea is to maintain a high level of viewer engagement. And no-one is thinking that the only reason reality tv shows don't end in disaster is because it is a tv show, i.e. an artificial and contained/constrained environment.

mallowdram 1y ago
The implementation of fascism was both across the board (legislation, edict, mass-firings, academic overthrow, consolidation, regulation, financial, trade, etc) and highly coordinated in a radically sped-up timeframe that had been planned by hundreds of people carefully sequestered in secrecy that launched day-one. That's not reality TV in the slightest. It's revolution or counter-revolution. M Gessen in contrast states it took Putin 10 years to do what Trump did in 6 months. Not only is there a carefully designed endgame, it's so well hidden in pretexts within pretexts, that journalists, opposition, even political theorists can't for certain declare it, except that it's overthrow.

tempodox 1y ago

It’s a reign of terror. Nobody knows who or what will be next on the chopping block. The only hope is to lick Trump’s boots to get an exemption. His gang practically holds the whole country hostage for ransom. Their tactics are working (in their own perception), why would they need an endgame?