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What a way to encourage manufacturing within the United States!

by gorbachev 1y ago

sparrish 1y ago
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- gorbachev 1y ago
  Did they arrest anyone who was making hiring decisions or anyone whose job it is to verify whether employees are legally allowed to work in the United States at that construction site?
  - sparrish 1y ago
    Likely not. They probably should though. Regardless, this is going to cost Hyundai a lot of time and money, which will disincentivize them from hiring illegal workers again. That's good for legal workers and America.
    - bix6 1y ago
      Yeah it’s really great for food prices too. You checked your veggies lately?
      - LeafItAlone 1y ago
        No, after four straight years of complaining about grocery store prices, they stopped caring about them some time between November 05, 2024 and January 20, 2025. Since then, a higher price apparently means “Great”-ness.
        bix6 1y ago
        Lmao you’re a king!
        perihelions 1y ago
        It's manly to take an austere approach to life and economics. Complaining about inflation is for little girls. To quote the strong-man: > "“I don’t think that a beautiful baby girl needs — that’s 11 years old — needs to have 30 dolls,” Trump said. “I think they can have three dolls or four dolls, because what we were doing with China was just unbelievable. We had a trade deficit of hundreds of billions of dollars with China.”" https://thehill.com/homenews/5283281-trump-dolls-economic-policy/ https://thehill.com/homenews/5283281-trump-dolls-economic-po...
        bix6 1y ago
        The first time I heard this quote it was weird. It’s still weird.
      - sparrish 1y ago
        Are you saying companies should be allowed to break the law and hire illegal aliens so long as the cost of your veggies stays low? I'm trying to understand.
        bix6 1y ago
        You gonna harvest the veggies bro? Terrorized and scooped up day laborers during peak harvest season. Genius move right there.
        anonfordays 1y ago
        You gonna harvest the cotton bro? Emancipated and freed up slaves during peak harvest season. Genius move right there.
        bix6 1y ago
        Lol nice one big dog you totally got me
    - kennywinker 1y ago
      > Regardless, this is going to cost Hyundai a lot of time and money, which will disincentivize them from hiring illegal workers again. Assuming they did hire illegal workers, which hasn’t been remotely proven - are you sure that’s the incentive? Or is it more like “don’t do business in the US, it’s chaos” or more likely the intended effect: “make sure you pay off MAGA before you start construction”
      - sparrish 1y ago
        If their first instinct when caught hiring illegal workers is to "not do business in the US"... yeah, I think the US will be better off without that of business.
        kennywinker 1y ago
        I’m almost certain that anybody arrested yesterday who turns out to be working illegally will not be a direct employee of hyundai. It’ll be sub-contractors and sub sub contractors. So yeah, doing business in the US sucks. Crooked US companies hire illegal workers to bump their margins, work gets stopped, you get blamed, a bunch of legal workers go to jail for a bit, a bunch of undocumented workers get deported, and nobody in charge of hiring at the US contractors experiences any kind of accountability. Win for USA tho?
        kennywinker 1y ago
        Hopefully you see this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/hyundai-factory-ice-raid-legal-visa https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/hyundai-fact... This gov lies. Everything they say should be questioned.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      It will most likely cause them to second guess setting up this factory in the first place.
      - sparrish 1y ago
        If the economics of them setting up this factory requires illegal workers to make it viable, yeah, they should definitely second guess that decision.
        jacquesm 1y ago
        What illegal workers?
- PhantomHour 1y ago
  They have visas. Ones that permit specific kinds of work. They are not "illegal aliens".
  - sparrish 1y ago
    If they all have valid visas and are legal to work, I'm confident they'll be released. If they've overstayed their visa or their visa doesn't permit them to work, I'm confident they'll be sent back to wherever they came from. I've traveled and worked in other countries. You have to carry your passport (or a certified copy of it) along with your visa everywhere in case you are stopped by law enforcement - otherwise, out you go. This is normal stuff, people, and these workers should know that.
    - PhantomHour 1y ago
      > If they all have valid visas and are legal to work, I'm confident they'll be released The Trump administration has been in court several times already for trying to deport people who, not only are not supposed to be deported, but whose deportation would and is be illegal. Even if they're released, ICE is known to be abusive and inhumane in it's detention practices. Your response reeks of "they'll be proven to be illegals soon enough, and then all the abuse is fair game". Disgusting.
    - ponector 1y ago
      >> You have to carry your passport (or a certified copy of it) along with your visa everywhere in case you are stopped by law enforcement - otherwise, out you go You have to carry passport everywhere only in police states like USA or Russia.
      - sparrish 1y ago
        That's simply not true. I've lived and worked in countries in South America and Africa and if, as a foreigner, you are stopped (which happened randomly on roads and in cities) and don't have your papers, you could be deported. It was recommended by the US State department to carry a certified copy of my passport and visa information.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  If you believe the state, sure. But all i see is 450 people arrested for being foreign looking and not having their papers on them. It’s been <24 hours, do you believe they’ve processed everyone already and have proof all 450 were indeed working illegally? Not a chance.
  - sparrish 1y ago
    If you're at work and don't have a valid ID of some kind on your person that would prove you're a US citizen (Driver's license, state ID, etc), are you even an adult? I carry my ID every time I leave my house. You think none of those 450 people are in the country and working illegally?
    - kennywinker 1y ago
      ICE’s average, by their own untrustworthy account, seems to be about 30% of people arrested are let go. As for carrying id - yeah i carry my drivers license. A drivers license isn’t proof of citizenship, nor is it a work visa. Mostly what irks me about this, besides people blindly believing the words of a corrupt kleptocratic government, is that this is just cruelty for show to make people think something’s actually changing. So far they have deported half of people the biden admin deported in a year. It’s been over six months. If you actually wanted to solve the problem, you’d skip arresting workers and lay down harsh jailtime for ceos who hire workers with visas. But the cruelty and the show is the point. As is building up a loyal army of goons who are practiced at disappearing people
    - yibg 1y ago
      "Your papers, please". Where have I heard that before...?

What a way to encourage manufacturing within the United States!

sparrish 1y ago

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gorbachev 1y ago
Did they arrest anyone who was making hiring decisions or anyone whose job it is to verify whether employees are legally allowed to work in the United States at that construction site?
- sparrish 1y ago
  Likely not. They probably should though. Regardless, this is going to cost Hyundai a lot of time and money, which will disincentivize them from hiring illegal workers again. That's good for legal workers and America.
  - bix6 1y ago
    Yeah it’s really great for food prices too. You checked your veggies lately?
    - LeafItAlone 1y ago
      No, after four straight years of complaining about grocery store prices, they stopped caring about them some time between November 05, 2024 and January 20, 2025. Since then, a higher price apparently means “Great”-ness.
      - bix6 1y ago
        Lmao you’re a king!
      - perihelions 1y ago
        It's manly to take an austere approach to life and economics. Complaining about inflation is for little girls. To quote the strong-man: > "“I don’t think that a beautiful baby girl needs — that’s 11 years old — needs to have 30 dolls,” Trump said. “I think they can have three dolls or four dolls, because what we were doing with China was just unbelievable. We had a trade deficit of hundreds of billions of dollars with China.”" https://thehill.com/homenews/5283281-trump-dolls-economic-policy/ https://thehill.com/homenews/5283281-trump-dolls-economic-po...
        bix6 1y ago
        The first time I heard this quote it was weird. It’s still weird.
    - sparrish 1y ago
      Are you saying companies should be allowed to break the law and hire illegal aliens so long as the cost of your veggies stays low? I'm trying to understand.
      - bix6 1y ago
        You gonna harvest the veggies bro? Terrorized and scooped up day laborers during peak harvest season. Genius move right there.
        anonfordays 1y ago
        You gonna harvest the cotton bro? Emancipated and freed up slaves during peak harvest season. Genius move right there.
        bix6 1y ago
        Lol nice one big dog you totally got me
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    > Regardless, this is going to cost Hyundai a lot of time and money, which will disincentivize them from hiring illegal workers again. Assuming they did hire illegal workers, which hasn’t been remotely proven - are you sure that’s the incentive? Or is it more like “don’t do business in the US, it’s chaos” or more likely the intended effect: “make sure you pay off MAGA before you start construction”
    - sparrish 1y ago
      If their first instinct when caught hiring illegal workers is to "not do business in the US"... yeah, I think the US will be better off without that of business.
      - kennywinker 1y ago
        I’m almost certain that anybody arrested yesterday who turns out to be working illegally will not be a direct employee of hyundai. It’ll be sub-contractors and sub sub contractors. So yeah, doing business in the US sucks. Crooked US companies hire illegal workers to bump their margins, work gets stopped, you get blamed, a bunch of legal workers go to jail for a bit, a bunch of undocumented workers get deported, and nobody in charge of hiring at the US contractors experiences any kind of accountability. Win for USA tho?
      - kennywinker 1y ago
        Hopefully you see this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/hyundai-factory-ice-raid-legal-visa https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/hyundai-fact... This gov lies. Everything they say should be questioned.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    It will most likely cause them to second guess setting up this factory in the first place.
    - sparrish 1y ago
      If the economics of them setting up this factory requires illegal workers to make it viable, yeah, they should definitely second guess that decision.
      - jacquesm 1y ago
        What illegal workers?
PhantomHour 1y ago
They have visas. Ones that permit specific kinds of work. They are not "illegal aliens".
- sparrish 1y ago
  If they all have valid visas and are legal to work, I'm confident they'll be released. If they've overstayed their visa or their visa doesn't permit them to work, I'm confident they'll be sent back to wherever they came from. I've traveled and worked in other countries. You have to carry your passport (or a certified copy of it) along with your visa everywhere in case you are stopped by law enforcement - otherwise, out you go. This is normal stuff, people, and these workers should know that.
  - PhantomHour 1y ago
    > If they all have valid visas and are legal to work, I'm confident they'll be released The Trump administration has been in court several times already for trying to deport people who, not only are not supposed to be deported, but whose deportation would and is be illegal. Even if they're released, ICE is known to be abusive and inhumane in it's detention practices. Your response reeks of "they'll be proven to be illegals soon enough, and then all the abuse is fair game". Disgusting.
  - ponector 1y ago
    >> You have to carry your passport (or a certified copy of it) along with your visa everywhere in case you are stopped by law enforcement - otherwise, out you go You have to carry passport everywhere only in police states like USA or Russia.
    - sparrish 1y ago
      That's simply not true. I've lived and worked in countries in South America and Africa and if, as a foreigner, you are stopped (which happened randomly on roads and in cities) and don't have your papers, you could be deported. It was recommended by the US State department to carry a certified copy of my passport and visa information.
kennywinker 1y ago
If you believe the state, sure. But all i see is 450 people arrested for being foreign looking and not having their papers on them. It’s been <24 hours, do you believe they’ve processed everyone already and have proof all 450 were indeed working illegally? Not a chance.
- sparrish 1y ago
  If you're at work and don't have a valid ID of some kind on your person that would prove you're a US citizen (Driver's license, state ID, etc), are you even an adult? I carry my ID every time I leave my house. You think none of those 450 people are in the country and working illegally?
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    ICE’s average, by their own untrustworthy account, seems to be about 30% of people arrested are let go. As for carrying id - yeah i carry my drivers license. A drivers license isn’t proof of citizenship, nor is it a work visa. Mostly what irks me about this, besides people blindly believing the words of a corrupt kleptocratic government, is that this is just cruelty for show to make people think something’s actually changing. So far they have deported half of people the biden admin deported in a year. It’s been over six months. If you actually wanted to solve the problem, you’d skip arresting workers and lay down harsh jailtime for ceos who hire workers with visas. But the cruelty and the show is the point. As is building up a loyal army of goons who are practiced at disappearing people
  - yibg 1y ago
    "Your papers, please". Where have I heard that before...?