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There is something kafkaesque about these giant tech companies restricting what you can talk to the AI about under the name of ethics while at the same time ope
by ryaniscool 1y ago
There is something kafkaesque about these giant tech companies restricting what you can talk to the AI about under the name of ethics while at the same time openly planning to replace you in the workforce.
- an0malous 1y agoWhile training their models on pirated and scraped content
- SwtCyber 1y agoIt's like being lectured on ethical behavior by the thing that's actively eating your lunch
- muldvarp 1y agoWhy do you think automating software development is any less ethical than automating other jobs (which many software developers actively engaged in)?
- elevatortrim 1y agoAutomating software development is not unethical. The unethical bit is allowing resource flow default to those who own the means of production. As a software developer, when I automate someone's job, say of a cashier, I do not start to get paid their salary - my salary stays the same. This is different for capital investors and shareholders. They keep the cashier's salary (not directly but ultimately). This results in an increasing concentration of wealth, creates lots of suffering and destabilises the world. That is where it is unethical.
- muldvarp 1y agoIn that case pretty much any automation is unethical, isn't it?
- insane_dreamer 1y agoYes, if it's resulting in a redistribution of wealth from the workers getting laid off (with no great prospects) to those providing the automation. OpenAI isn't providing any new job opportunities, it's just destroying existing ones.
- jackphilson 1y agoThe solution is for our government to onboard us onto the internet economy like China is doing. Rather than slow down tech advancement.
- Printerisreal 1y ago"Rules for thee, but not for me"
- chasd00 1y agoi've given this reply many times before but it's still worth repeating that "AI Safety/Ethics" really just means brand safety for the model provider.
- muldvarp 1y agoIs there? I don't see any contradiction there. For me it's funny that the first time most programmers ever think about the ethics of automating away jobs is when they themselves become automated.
- azemetre 1y agoThe book "Why We Fear AI" by Hagen Blix and Ingeborg Glimmer talks about this dynamic. Whether it will lead to a class awakening because previously if you were aligned with the company you were rewarded as well, but now if you align with the company you're advocating to destroy your livelihood. What rational worker would want to take part in this?
- ffsm8 1y agoLots? I mean most people I know aren't even willing to entertain the notion wherever it's gonna happen within our lifetime. The argument usually centers around the fact that LLMs aren't AGI, which is obviously true but also kinda missing the point
- azemetre 1y agoWe don't need AGI to cause a massive amount of disruption. If leadership of companies want to force use these LLMs, which is what we've been experiencing the last two years, workers will be forced to use them. It's not like there is an organic bottom up movement on driving this usage. It's always top down mandated by executives with little regard on how it impacts worker's lives. We've also seen how these tools have made certain jobs worse, not better, like translating: https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/how-ai-is-killing-jobs-in-the-tech-f39 https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/how-ai-is-killing-jobs-i...
- muldvarp 1y agoSoftware developers. Many of them are still championing LLMs. Also anybody who still contributes to open source software.