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Ignoring any PR or political motivations, I’d argue the Leaf is a better choice for many people. I’m biased as I have one, quite similar, but let me give a pros

Ignoring any PR or political motivations, I’d argue the Leaf is a better choice for many people. I’m biased as I have one, quite similar, but let me give a pros from my perspective: - a traditional car feeling, knobs, buttons, the way cars have been for decades prior - very very reliable. basically never needs anything except wiper fluid. no software updates or crashing. I don’t have stats but might be one of most reliable cars - compact and easy to park - compatible with comma.ai - LeafSpy diagnostics to monitor it - nice hatchback format with fold down rear seats - ~220 mile range is plenty for around town use and trickle charge overnight Overall I’m very happy with it and while constantly tempted by Teslas I think I wouldn’t like them as much.

dzhiurgis 1y ago
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mbreese 1y ago
After dealing with Tesla service, I’d also put having a large and varied dealer network with potential third party service locations as a plus for the Leaf. The word potential is doing a lot of work here - having competitive service options is still an EV issue, IMO. But Tesla service is expensive and difficult to navigate. Texting with a mechanic can work, but a quick 2 min conversation with a person would have saved me multiple headaches. Part of the cost issue may be the ways the cars are built vs the actual shop costs, but parts costs for repair are likely to be higher for a Tesla, even with volume. I suspect getting a Leaf serviced should be easier/cheaper.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Tesla parts are notoriously cheap and you aren’t forced to use Tesla service.
geerlingguy 1y ago
Also CarPlay, which was on my shortlist of features I actually cared for in any newer car. Silly of Tesla to not support it out of the box (IMO).
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  CarPlay is trash tho. Had a rental again last weekend. It’s core feature - google maps wrapper - is just barely useable. Sure it does other things, but it’s not worth the hassle.
  - saagarjha 1y ago
    CarPlay is much better than the alternatives.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  I thought not having Carplay was a dealbreaker, then I tried shopping other brands and they wanted $15 to $25 per month for remote start, so I went with Tesla. Plus Tesla had dash cam recording, which somehow no one else has yet? And of course, don’t have to deal with a stupid dealer with Tesla, just bought sitting on the couch at home. Anyway, not having CarPlay has not been an issue. Although, it would have been nice to have.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    I’m picking up mine today from repairs. Some kids crashed their ute into me and left me fake details (I found them anyway via OSINT). Since I have full video insurance waived excess and going after them.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

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mbreese 1y ago

After dealing with Tesla service, I’d also put having a large and varied dealer network with potential third party service locations as a plus for the Leaf. The word potential is doing a lot of work here - having competitive service options is still an EV issue, IMO. But Tesla service is expensive and difficult to navigate. Texting with a mechanic can work, but a quick 2 min conversation with a person would have saved me multiple headaches. Part of the cost issue may be the ways the cars are built vs the actual shop costs, but parts costs for repair are likely to be higher for a Tesla, even with volume. I suspect getting a Leaf serviced should be easier/cheaper.

dzhiurgis 1y ago
Tesla parts are notoriously cheap and you aren’t forced to use Tesla service.

geerlingguy 1y ago

Also CarPlay, which was on my shortlist of features I actually cared for in any newer car. Silly of Tesla to not support it out of the box (IMO).

dzhiurgis 1y ago
CarPlay is trash tho. Had a rental again last weekend. It’s core feature - google maps wrapper - is just barely useable. Sure it does other things, but it’s not worth the hassle.
- saagarjha 1y ago
  CarPlay is much better than the alternatives.
lotsofpulp 1y ago
I thought not having Carplay was a dealbreaker, then I tried shopping other brands and they wanted $15 to $25 per month for remote start, so I went with Tesla. Plus Tesla had dash cam recording, which somehow no one else has yet? And of course, don’t have to deal with a stupid dealer with Tesla, just bought sitting on the couch at home. Anyway, not having CarPlay has not been an issue. Although, it would have been nice to have.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  I’m picking up mine today from repairs. Some kids crashed their ute into me and left me fake details (I found them anyway via OSINT). Since I have full video insurance waived excess and going after them.