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This age verification stuff is really poorly designed by law makers. That said, the article points out the number of free VPN services with ad blockers are a pr

This age verification stuff is really poorly designed by law makers. That said, the article points out the number of free VPN services with ad blockers are a problem. Couldn’t they run their own free VPN services that enables access and keeps the ads? Seems like porn VPN would be popular.

decimalenough 1y ago
No, because law-abiding companies can't offer tools to circumvent the law. As the article says, all this means is that law-abiding porn sites (that, for example, respond to requests to delete CSAM and revenge porn) will go bankrupt and everybody will be driven to sketchypron.xxx instead.
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  So radar detectors for cars don't exist?
  - decimalenough 1y ago
    They're not sold by car companies, and they're illegal in many countries.
- delusional 1y ago
  > law-abiding porn sites will go bankrupt How would that work? Can PornHub not exist without the "lucrative" market of children watching porn?
  - Meneth 1y ago
    More like, they can't exist without the lucrative market of the 90% of current customers who will refuse age verification and go elsewhere.
    - delusional 1y ago
      Do you seriously believe that 90% of current porn consumers would rather watch their pornography on websites where it's intermingled with child pornography and revenge porn, than verify their age? Are you seriously arguing that 90% of porn viewers are against digital age verification, even though about 60% of the population (in my home country) approve of the use for purchasing physical goods? In your reading of the world, there can only ever exist a deregulated market, and democracy may as well pack its bags and make room for anarchy. I don't think that's a reasonable worldview.
      - ipaddr 1y ago
        Yes. Sending your government issued id to random porn sites is asking for your identity to be stolen. Sites filter out any child porn because those are different serious laws. I can live with revenge porn because it's really amateur porn labelled another way. Like supporting eco friendly porn where you walk to the hotel instead of drive. Regulating markets where someone unvested group of people decide the rules on what can sell /how it can be sold /who can buy or sell is always worse than not regulating it in the first place.
        delusional 1y ago
        > Yes. Sending your government issued id to random porn sites is asking for your identity to be stolen. Ah, so you don't understand what's being proposed. Let me clear that up. The implementation proposed by the EU does not involve your government issued id, but rather an openid style handoff to a trusted government entity, where you verify your identity with your government, followed by a handback along with a proof of your age bracket. The website asking for verification only ever gets to know if you're 16+ or 18+ (or whatever other classification we can make up). > I can live with revenge porn because it's really amateur porn labelled another way Fuck you. Get out of here with that shit. Disgusting.
        ipaddr 1y ago
        A lot of disgusting legal porn exists. Revenge porn is just boring amateur porn that doesn't have consent attached. Both parties may or may not have knowledge of it and someone decides to share after the relationship ends. It's part of their relationship, its a real event that shows a moment of closeness and its an expression of real love. It doesn't interest me but to find you think its so disgusting sounds fake. People have real lives and real relationships that are raw and doesn't always show you in the light you want to present but if its honest and real its life. It's art in a different form.

decimalenough 1y ago

No, because law-abiding companies can't offer tools to circumvent the law. As the article says, all this means is that law-abiding porn sites (that, for example, respond to requests to delete CSAM and revenge porn) will go bankrupt and everybody will be driven to sketchypron.xxx instead.

IAmBroom 1y ago
So radar detectors for cars don't exist?
- decimalenough 1y ago
  They're not sold by car companies, and they're illegal in many countries.
delusional 1y ago
> law-abiding porn sites will go bankrupt How would that work? Can PornHub not exist without the "lucrative" market of children watching porn?
- Meneth 1y ago
  More like, they can't exist without the lucrative market of the 90% of current customers who will refuse age verification and go elsewhere.
  - delusional 1y ago
    Do you seriously believe that 90% of current porn consumers would rather watch their pornography on websites where it's intermingled with child pornography and revenge porn, than verify their age? Are you seriously arguing that 90% of porn viewers are against digital age verification, even though about 60% of the population (in my home country) approve of the use for purchasing physical goods? In your reading of the world, there can only ever exist a deregulated market, and democracy may as well pack its bags and make room for anarchy. I don't think that's a reasonable worldview.
    - ipaddr 1y ago
      Yes. Sending your government issued id to random porn sites is asking for your identity to be stolen. Sites filter out any child porn because those are different serious laws. I can live with revenge porn because it's really amateur porn labelled another way. Like supporting eco friendly porn where you walk to the hotel instead of drive. Regulating markets where someone unvested group of people decide the rules on what can sell /how it can be sold /who can buy or sell is always worse than not regulating it in the first place.
      - delusional 1y ago
        > Yes. Sending your government issued id to random porn sites is asking for your identity to be stolen. Ah, so you don't understand what's being proposed. Let me clear that up. The implementation proposed by the EU does not involve your government issued id, but rather an openid style handoff to a trusted government entity, where you verify your identity with your government, followed by a handback along with a proof of your age bracket. The website asking for verification only ever gets to know if you're 16+ or 18+ (or whatever other classification we can make up). > I can live with revenge porn because it's really amateur porn labelled another way Fuck you. Get out of here with that shit. Disgusting.
        ipaddr 1y ago
        A lot of disgusting legal porn exists. Revenge porn is just boring amateur porn that doesn't have consent attached. Both parties may or may not have knowledge of it and someone decides to share after the relationship ends. It's part of their relationship, its a real event that shows a moment of closeness and its an expression of real love. It doesn't interest me but to find you think its so disgusting sounds fake. People have real lives and real relationships that are raw and doesn't always show you in the light you want to present but if its honest and real its life. It's art in a different form.