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> any dragon book Here are "a few", if still in that phase https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of

by ethbr1 1y ago

> any dragon book Here are "a few", if still in that phase https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern

yencabulator 1y ago
In the context of kids, note that those books essentially legalize rape by saying the humans telepathically connected to the dragons mating just have to also do the deed. Maybe go through them yourself first to decide when is appropriate, and talk about how compilations of old thoughts can be good and bad at the same time.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  100%. Imho, parents should generally at least skim books before giving them to younger children, if only to know what topics their child might ask about after reading. As a YA author at a recent con panel put it: "I let my kids read any book they want, but I describe the themes. Sometimes, they decide they might not be ready for specific topics" Help kids censor for themselves, if they choose. (Personally, less-so on censoring for them, especially books)
  - yencabulator 1y ago
    I'm thinking less censorship and more understanding of when starting to think about something is appropriate, how to build a healthy worldview, and how to communicate about uncomfortable things. Like, A Song of Ice and Fire is a great world with captivating storytelling where some nasty things happen, and its characters can sometimes be "bad people", and that's part of the story! It's fine that books also portray things that are not just happy endings. GRRM is a good enough writer to make that improve the story. (The author of Dragonriders of Pern, unfortunately, is not a good enough writer that her addition of certain topics into the books could be said to improve the books. I'll leave you with <https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Tent_Peg_Statement https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Tent_Peg_Statement>. It's still a fun series, even if the author is not someone I'd invite for dinner!)
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      Unilaterally deciding as an adult "when" is censorship. A big discussion point in the panel, which I agree with, is that kids will move on to more mature themes when they're ready (and not before). Retarding that development process by deciding what is and isn't age appropriate for them (a) breaks down trust and communication and (b) substantially raises the risk of their doing so secretly, which increases the very risk you're trying to prevent. We may have had different childhoods, but no bans my parents put in place that I felt strongly about weren't circumvented. My philosophy on parenting is that you should support and be involved in your child's development, at the pace they choose, not plan and meter it.
      - yencabulator 1y ago
        I think you're projecting your own background into my words. Adjust your bias from "parental decision to censor" to "things to think about and discuss" and re-read.
        ethbr1 1y ago
        >> more understanding of when starting to think about something is appropriate What did you intend to be the consequences of appropriate vs inappropriate in the above?
        yencabulator 1y ago
        It's a synonym of "suitable" or "fitting". I don't really understand what you're asking. Are you expecting me to lay down some strict rules that people under the age of X must not be exposed to topic Y? I'm not American/religious enough for that kind of thinking.

by ethbr1 1y ago

> any dragon book Here are "a few", if still in that phase https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern

yencabulator 1y ago

In the context of kids, note that those books essentially legalize rape by saying the humans telepathically connected to the dragons mating just have to also do the deed. Maybe go through them yourself first to decide when is appropriate, and talk about how compilations of old thoughts can be good and bad at the same time.

ethbr1 1y ago
100%. Imho, parents should generally at least skim books before giving them to younger children, if only to know what topics their child might ask about after reading. As a YA author at a recent con panel put it: "I let my kids read any book they want, but I describe the themes. Sometimes, they decide they might not be ready for specific topics" Help kids censor for themselves, if they choose. (Personally, less-so on censoring for them, especially books)
- yencabulator 1y ago
  I'm thinking less censorship and more understanding of when starting to think about something is appropriate, how to build a healthy worldview, and how to communicate about uncomfortable things. Like, A Song of Ice and Fire is a great world with captivating storytelling where some nasty things happen, and its characters can sometimes be "bad people", and that's part of the story! It's fine that books also portray things that are not just happy endings. GRRM is a good enough writer to make that improve the story. (The author of Dragonriders of Pern, unfortunately, is not a good enough writer that her addition of certain topics into the books could be said to improve the books. I'll leave you with <https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Tent_Peg_Statement https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Tent_Peg_Statement>. It's still a fun series, even if the author is not someone I'd invite for dinner!)
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Unilaterally deciding as an adult "when" is censorship. A big discussion point in the panel, which I agree with, is that kids will move on to more mature themes when they're ready (and not before). Retarding that development process by deciding what is and isn't age appropriate for them (a) breaks down trust and communication and (b) substantially raises the risk of their doing so secretly, which increases the very risk you're trying to prevent. We may have had different childhoods, but no bans my parents put in place that I felt strongly about weren't circumvented. My philosophy on parenting is that you should support and be involved in your child's development, at the pace they choose, not plan and meter it.
    - yencabulator 1y ago
      I think you're projecting your own background into my words. Adjust your bias from "parental decision to censor" to "things to think about and discuss" and re-read.
      - ethbr1 1y ago
        >> more understanding of when starting to think about something is appropriate What did you intend to be the consequences of appropriate vs inappropriate in the above?
        yencabulator 1y ago
        It's a synonym of "suitable" or "fitting". I don't really understand what you're asking. Are you expecting me to lay down some strict rules that people under the age of X must not be exposed to topic Y? I'm not American/religious enough for that kind of thinking.