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who blinked first during Cuban missile crisis? It was JFK who called Khrushev for deescalation. who blinked first during Ukraine-Russia war? It was Jake Sulliv

by slt2021 1y ago

who blinked first during Cuban missile crisis? It was JFK who called Khrushev for deescalation. who blinked first during Ukraine-Russia war? It was Jake Sullivan who redirected military gear from Urkaine to Israel and drip-fed the ammunition shipments, when Russia showed they are ready to use tactical nukes if necessary and formally updated their nuclear doctrine

vkou 1y ago
You're rewriting history. The actual timeline was that Kennedy blockades Cuba, Soviet vessels turn around rather than start a shooting war, Khruschev makes a secret proposal to de-escalate, Kennedy agrees to it, both side declare victory, Soviet bombers are removed from Cuba, the blockade is lifted, the US removes missiles from Turkey. That you see all this, and your takeaway is that "Kennedy blinked first because unlike Ivan, he isn't a power-hungry monster" belies an unnuanced, zero-sum, exceptionalist view of the world. As for Israel and Ukraine, I think all that demonstrated was that the US cared more about kowtowing to Israel, than it did about having a proxy war with Russia. Weirdly enough, though, to this day, weapons and cash (that is immediately spent on weapons) continue to pour into Ukraine. Someone should probably notify Canada and the EU about that new Russian red line, they clearly haven't gotten the memo.
- slt2021 1y ago
  the only secret thing was the agreement from JFK to remove missiles from Turkey, that part was hidden from the public to artificially prop up JFK's image as tough on Soviets, while in reality: 1. Blockade was not full, two American warships, the USS Essex and the USS Gearing, were ready to intercept tanker Bucharest, which could have led to war. Instead, Kennedy ordered to let the Bucharest through the quarantine 2. U-2 plane was shot down and Maj. Rudolf Anderson has died as for "weapons and cash continue to pour" - it does not conflict with the Russian strategy, you might be surprised, but it is perfectly fine for Russians, that the US's allies are expending their resources on overpriced US military gear, that is dependent on Chinese rare earth exports
  - vkou 1y ago
    Bucharest was a tanker that was not believed to carry nuclear weapons, and the public point of the blockade was to prevent nuclear weapons from being shipped to Cuba. If Kennedy was a yellowbelly, what was a 'strong man' supposed to do in his place? End civilization over it? Your hyperfocus on 'winning' every confrontation, no matter the value, and no matter the risk - is destructive and incredibly dangerous. > U-2 plane was shot down and Maj. Rudolf Anderson has died Could you remind us what that U-2 plane was doing, and where it was while doing it? You can't honestly hold the Soviet bloc to blame for shooting down an enemy aircraft over its own territory... Or view Kennedy as weak because he didn't escalate over a clear act of self-defense. They had every right to shoot him down, and everybody knew it.

vkou 1y ago

You're rewriting history. The actual timeline was that Kennedy blockades Cuba, Soviet vessels turn around rather than start a shooting war, Khruschev makes a secret proposal to de-escalate, Kennedy agrees to it, both side declare victory, Soviet bombers are removed from Cuba, the blockade is lifted, the US removes missiles from Turkey. That you see all this, and your takeaway is that "Kennedy blinked first because unlike Ivan, he isn't a power-hungry monster" belies an unnuanced, zero-sum, exceptionalist view of the world. As for Israel and Ukraine, I think all that demonstrated was that the US cared more about kowtowing to Israel, than it did about having a proxy war with Russia. Weirdly enough, though, to this day, weapons and cash (that is immediately spent on weapons) continue to pour into Ukraine. Someone should probably notify Canada and the EU about that new Russian red line, they clearly haven't gotten the memo.

slt2021 1y ago
the only secret thing was the agreement from JFK to remove missiles from Turkey, that part was hidden from the public to artificially prop up JFK's image as tough on Soviets, while in reality: 1. Blockade was not full, two American warships, the USS Essex and the USS Gearing, were ready to intercept tanker Bucharest, which could have led to war. Instead, Kennedy ordered to let the Bucharest through the quarantine 2. U-2 plane was shot down and Maj. Rudolf Anderson has died as for "weapons and cash continue to pour" - it does not conflict with the Russian strategy, you might be surprised, but it is perfectly fine for Russians, that the US's allies are expending their resources on overpriced US military gear, that is dependent on Chinese rare earth exports
- vkou 1y ago
  Bucharest was a tanker that was not believed to carry nuclear weapons, and the public point of the blockade was to prevent nuclear weapons from being shipped to Cuba. If Kennedy was a yellowbelly, what was a 'strong man' supposed to do in his place? End civilization over it? Your hyperfocus on 'winning' every confrontation, no matter the value, and no matter the risk - is destructive and incredibly dangerous. > U-2 plane was shot down and Maj. Rudolf Anderson has died Could you remind us what that U-2 plane was doing, and where it was while doing it? You can't honestly hold the Soviet bloc to blame for shooting down an enemy aircraft over its own territory... Or view Kennedy as weak because he didn't escalate over a clear act of self-defense. They had every right to shoot him down, and everybody knew it.