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It’s possible to both criticise Wikipedia and celebrate it.

by sshine 1y ago

squigz 1y ago
We don't always have to do both at once though. Sometimes we can just enjoy things.
xeromal 1y ago
You know when you're proud of something and you tell it to someone and they always find something to nitpick while also saying good job. That's what this feels like. It's very unnecessary. Time and a place
- sshine 1y ago
  That’s one example, but I mean less personal. Wikipedia isn’t a person. For example: I’m a big fan of Wikipedia. I spent countless hours writing articles in my early twenties. I stopped because the environment got more hostile as the site grew in popularity. I think that might have been necessary to address the influx of drive-by editing, but it still meant I stopped enjoying being a contributor. I don’t appreciate the constant asking for money — as far as I understand, they’re well off without donations. There. I think the misconception here is that criticism has to be mean and personal. As someone who celebrates the project’s ideals, giving criticism is an act of love.
  - chris_wot 1y ago
    You think that's bad? I got permanently banned and I started many important things on Wikipedia - like the admins noticeboard, a number of Australia communities, and the [citation needed]. I wrote dozens of articles about Australian women - none of them gave a shit and so I'm not able to write about them any more. They are, by and large, a bunch of horrible bullies and losers - many Wikipedians don't actually care about articles creation or actual content, they fiddle about with URL fixes and categorisation. There was one horrible human being called BrownHairedGirl who did all these things and almost destroyed the place before they got indefinitely banned also.
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      > and the [citation needed] Citation needed.
      - chris_wot 1y ago
        You could look at the history.
      - ForOldHack 1y ago
        You have been trolled by Wikipedia troll bot(tm). - there are hundreds of thousands of them - the hypnotized never lie.
        chris_wot 1y ago
        If you say so.
    - throwaway2037 1y ago
      Why did you get permanently banned? And what stops you from creating a new account?
      - amiga386 1y ago
        > Why did you get permanently banned. Ta bu shi da yu created the citation needed template: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation_needed&oldid=17662960 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation... (I remember that account name from Kuro5hin. Much respect!) He edited under several accounts, all of which are permabanned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aussie_Article_Writer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aussie_Article_Writer Why? Because he'd earned an interaction ban (IBAN) from engaging with BrownHairedGirl, and he breached the ban: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Aussie+Article+Writer https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=... Whatever he said, it's been fully scrubbed, but it appears to have been commenting on BrownHairedGirl's not-yet-submitted Request for Adminship: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1039021442#Piotrus'_concerns_about_User:BrownHairedGirl https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1039021442#Piotrus... How'd he get the interaction ban? Because another account of his and BrownHairedGirl were squabbling, and the admins have working eyes and brains, they could see he was doing the instigating: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=980273295#Proposal:_One-way_IBAN_on_Chris.sherlock_concerning_BrownHairedGirl https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=980273295#Proposa... You're not meant to wind up or troll your fellow Wikipedians, even if they are combative dickheads who need taking down a peg. What was the beef? That he was creating small subcategories for each suburb of Brisbane, and BrownHairedGirl goes off her nut at small categories. BrownHairedGirl was eventually taken out by being needlessly combative about - of all things - Wikipedia's "small categories" policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Preliminary_statements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests... > what stops you from creating a new account? Wikipedians inevitably go back to their old stomping grounds, use their normal tone in discussions, repeat their same old habits and basically don't change. When they do that, they're very recognisable to the people they already spent 20 years interacting with. They out themselves as a sockpuppet of the original banned user, and they get banned again.
  - ForOldHack 1y ago
    Act of love? It's simply he who yells the loudest gets to write history. The controversy around the George Galloway, and Wireds coverage of the glorification of NAZI platoons and war heros? There are some articles so bad-you cannot even bear to read. But at least there are a few nonsensical articles and BAJADON, bad jokes and other deleted nonsense. My favorite article is about black light power. Absolute and complete garbage. I think that is the true enshitification is they do not take out the trash. I did find some of the vandals, and became good friends with a few. Some of what they write is side splitting humor, but also the alt-right has an amazing amount of power they are using to rewrite history. I would never give them a thin dime.
knowitnone2 1y ago
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It’s possible to both criticise Wikipedia and celebrate it.

by sshine 1y ago

It’s possible to both criticise Wikipedia and celebrate it.

squigz 1y ago

We don't always have to do both at once though. Sometimes we can just enjoy things.

xeromal 1y ago

You know when you're proud of something and you tell it to someone and they always find something to nitpick while also saying good job. That's what this feels like. It's very unnecessary. Time and a place

sshine 1y ago
That’s one example, but I mean less personal. Wikipedia isn’t a person. For example: I’m a big fan of Wikipedia. I spent countless hours writing articles in my early twenties. I stopped because the environment got more hostile as the site grew in popularity. I think that might have been necessary to address the influx of drive-by editing, but it still meant I stopped enjoying being a contributor. I don’t appreciate the constant asking for money — as far as I understand, they’re well off without donations. There. I think the misconception here is that criticism has to be mean and personal. As someone who celebrates the project’s ideals, giving criticism is an act of love.
- chris_wot 1y ago
  You think that's bad? I got permanently banned and I started many important things on Wikipedia - like the admins noticeboard, a number of Australia communities, and the [citation needed]. I wrote dozens of articles about Australian women - none of them gave a shit and so I'm not able to write about them any more. They are, by and large, a bunch of horrible bullies and losers - many Wikipedians don't actually care about articles creation or actual content, they fiddle about with URL fixes and categorisation. There was one horrible human being called BrownHairedGirl who did all these things and almost destroyed the place before they got indefinitely banned also.
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    > and the [citation needed] Citation needed.
    - chris_wot 1y ago
      You could look at the history.
    - ForOldHack 1y ago
      You have been trolled by Wikipedia troll bot(tm). - there are hundreds of thousands of them - the hypnotized never lie.
      - chris_wot 1y ago
        If you say so.
  - throwaway2037 1y ago
    Why did you get permanently banned? And what stops you from creating a new account?
    - amiga386 1y ago
      > Why did you get permanently banned. Ta bu shi da yu created the citation needed template: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation_needed&oldid=17662960 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation... (I remember that account name from Kuro5hin. Much respect!) He edited under several accounts, all of which are permabanned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aussie_Article_Writer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aussie_Article_Writer Why? Because he'd earned an interaction ban (IBAN) from engaging with BrownHairedGirl, and he breached the ban: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Aussie+Article+Writer https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=... Whatever he said, it's been fully scrubbed, but it appears to have been commenting on BrownHairedGirl's not-yet-submitted Request for Adminship: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1039021442#Piotrus'_concerns_about_User:BrownHairedGirl https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1039021442#Piotrus... How'd he get the interaction ban? Because another account of his and BrownHairedGirl were squabbling, and the admins have working eyes and brains, they could see he was doing the instigating: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=980273295#Proposal:_One-way_IBAN_on_Chris.sherlock_concerning_BrownHairedGirl https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=980273295#Proposa... You're not meant to wind up or troll your fellow Wikipedians, even if they are combative dickheads who need taking down a peg. What was the beef? That he was creating small subcategories for each suburb of Brisbane, and BrownHairedGirl goes off her nut at small categories. BrownHairedGirl was eventually taken out by being needlessly combative about - of all things - Wikipedia's "small categories" policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Preliminary_statements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests... > what stops you from creating a new account? Wikipedians inevitably go back to their old stomping grounds, use their normal tone in discussions, repeat their same old habits and basically don't change. When they do that, they're very recognisable to the people they already spent 20 years interacting with. They out themselves as a sockpuppet of the original banned user, and they get banned again.
- ForOldHack 1y ago
  Act of love? It's simply he who yells the loudest gets to write history. The controversy around the George Galloway, and Wireds coverage of the glorification of NAZI platoons and war heros? There are some articles so bad-you cannot even bear to read. But at least there are a few nonsensical articles and BAJADON, bad jokes and other deleted nonsense. My favorite article is about black light power. Absolute and complete garbage. I think that is the true enshitification is they do not take out the trash. I did find some of the vandals, and became good friends with a few. Some of what they write is side splitting humor, but also the alt-right has an amazing amount of power they are using to rewrite history. I would never give them a thin dime.

knowitnone2 1y ago

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