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I feel completely the opposite. What would it look like in an alien war? Would we have defectors like we do in actual war? Could some of those fighting for the

I feel completely the opposite. What would it look like in an alien war? Would we have defectors like we do in actual war? Could some of those fighting for the aliens actually be enslaved and riot? All of this adds depth and texture to a game instead of "humans good, aliens bad". The world isn't simplistic and I really don't want a game with a theme to either.

yyyk 1y ago
>What would it look like in an alien war? Humanity would lose. The end. Rather boring game if I may say so.
- WillAdams 1y ago
  For a short story which looks at this see: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324814-vilcabamba https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324814-vilcabamba
cosmicgadget 1y ago
Wait isn't the puppet human government a huge part of the story?
- jeffbee 1y ago
  Not only the puppet government, but also the puppet resistance. You can't tell which side the Council is on.
nis0s 1y ago
I get that, but as I see it, this way of thinking about it just makes a mediocre IP that’s coloring by numbers. It’s exactly how you say it is, and it’s what’s expected. A typical war story. But let’s look at it from a Tolkien perspective, to me that lens of looking at things gives you a sense of what’s important to keep, and what values to adhere to. It’s not orcs vs. humans, it’s evil vs. mankind. It’s not aliens vs. people, it’s non-human vs. mankind. That’s just my way of looking at it, and I expect others to enjoy the game differently, and that’s fair.
- TheCleric 1y ago
  So to make it less mediocre you’d make it more predictable?
  - nis0s 1y ago
    To me there’s so little in the way of things which unite us on the concept of humanity. Our conceptualization of evil and what it means is somewhat aligned, but more than that what I think unites us is our way of thinking about things which give us hope. The takeaway from a lot of Tolkien’s work, and that of others like him, has always been about the nature of fairy stories and what they entail. It’s the same with games about uniting as humanity to kill aliens, you exist in some liminal space between reality and fantasy to come to terms with what it means to be who you are, etc. That said, someone is free to make their game how they like, just as I am free to dislike its direction and make a comment on it. And so on, and so forth.

yyyk 1y ago

>What would it look like in an alien war? Humanity would lose. The end. Rather boring game if I may say so.

WillAdams 1y ago
For a short story which looks at this see: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324814-vilcabamba https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324814-vilcabamba

cosmicgadget 1y ago

Wait isn't the puppet human government a huge part of the story?

jeffbee 1y ago
Not only the puppet government, but also the puppet resistance. You can't tell which side the Council is on.

nis0s 1y ago

I get that, but as I see it, this way of thinking about it just makes a mediocre IP that’s coloring by numbers. It’s exactly how you say it is, and it’s what’s expected. A typical war story. But let’s look at it from a Tolkien perspective, to me that lens of looking at things gives you a sense of what’s important to keep, and what values to adhere to. It’s not orcs vs. humans, it’s evil vs. mankind. It’s not aliens vs. people, it’s non-human vs. mankind. That’s just my way of looking at it, and I expect others to enjoy the game differently, and that’s fair.

TheCleric 1y ago
So to make it less mediocre you’d make it more predictable?
- nis0s 1y ago
  To me there’s so little in the way of things which unite us on the concept of humanity. Our conceptualization of evil and what it means is somewhat aligned, but more than that what I think unites us is our way of thinking about things which give us hope. The takeaway from a lot of Tolkien’s work, and that of others like him, has always been about the nature of fairy stories and what they entail. It’s the same with games about uniting as humanity to kill aliens, you exist in some liminal space between reality and fantasy to come to terms with what it means to be who you are, etc. That said, someone is free to make their game how they like, just as I am free to dislike its direction and make a comment on it. And so on, and so forth.