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Israel is annexing the West Bank so it's safe to say the PLO made the wrong call. It's 100% ethnic cleansing. That's all Israel is, ethnically cleansed Palestin

Israel is annexing the West Bank so it's safe to say the PLO made the wrong call. It's 100% ethnic cleansing. That's all Israel is, ethnically cleansed Palestine, since Nakba.

jfengel 1y ago
You could potentially meet me where I am, trying to cover the entire range of events, considering both sets of people who have done good and bad things. Or you could continue to spout nationalist propaganda. Your call.
- sporkxrocket 1y ago
  Being against ethnic cleansing and land theft isn't "nationalist propaganda". Let's stick to historical facts, starting with Nakba and the Balfour Declaration, both of which were egregious human rights violations.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Let's stick to historical facts, starting with Nakba What's the logic for starting with the Nakba versus something earlier or later? Part of what I think makes this conflict intractable is everyone has a litany of historical grievances they can readily pull up to justify just about any claim.
    - blitzar 1y ago
      Everyone wants the cutoff to be when their grievances begin - where they were wronged unprovoked and unwaranted - as we must start from that point and ignore all priors.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Everyone wants the cutoff to be when their grievances begin Not everyone. Plenty of nations across history forgave, or at least tolerated and moved on. (America, Germany and Japan. Hell, America and Britain. India and Britain. Pretty much every member of the EU.) The ones that don't, the ones that hold onto multigenerational gripes, tend to be consumed by them. (I'm not arguing that the Israelis or Palestinians or Armenians should give up because it's more peaceful. These are complicated fractures. But I'll stand by this feature, alone, making their conflicts intractable. Particularly by outsiders. The best you can do is permanent stalemate.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_trading_partners_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_trading_partne...
        cindyllm 1y ago
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Israel is annexing the West Bank so it's safe to say the PLO made the wrong call. It's 100% ethnic cleansing. That's all Israel is, ethnically cleansed Palestine, since Nakba.

jfengel 1y ago

You could potentially meet me where I am, trying to cover the entire range of events, considering both sets of people who have done good and bad things. Or you could continue to spout nationalist propaganda. Your call.

sporkxrocket 1y ago
Being against ethnic cleansing and land theft isn't "nationalist propaganda". Let's stick to historical facts, starting with Nakba and the Balfour Declaration, both of which were egregious human rights violations.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Let's stick to historical facts, starting with Nakba What's the logic for starting with the Nakba versus something earlier or later? Part of what I think makes this conflict intractable is everyone has a litany of historical grievances they can readily pull up to justify just about any claim.
  - blitzar 1y ago
    Everyone wants the cutoff to be when their grievances begin - where they were wronged unprovoked and unwaranted - as we must start from that point and ignore all priors.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Everyone wants the cutoff to be when their grievances begin Not everyone. Plenty of nations across history forgave, or at least tolerated and moved on. (America, Germany and Japan. Hell, America and Britain. India and Britain. Pretty much every member of the EU.) The ones that don't, the ones that hold onto multigenerational gripes, tend to be consumed by them. (I'm not arguing that the Israelis or Palestinians or Armenians should give up because it's more peaceful. These are complicated fractures. But I'll stand by this feature, alone, making their conflicts intractable. Particularly by outsiders. The best you can do is permanent stalemate.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_trading_partners_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_trading_partne...
      - cindyllm 1y ago
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