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It has been so tragic to see the unforced downfall of this company. Arc is such an amazing browser that really did some new and interesting things. They clearly

It has been so tragic to see the unforced downfall of this company. Arc is such an amazing browser that really did some new and interesting things. They clearly have some phenomenal talent on the team, having managed to get their swift-centric development working on _Windows_. That's a huge and difficult undertaking! And they threw it away to work on (probably) the CEO's new fixation and threw Arc away like an old toy. And now they're selling to Atlassian and I would bet money, will just evaporate. Nothing they ever built will mean anything to Atlassian in the long term. Nobody wants to use an Atlassian browser.

taminka 1y ago
> having managed to get their swift-centric development working on _Windows_. That's a huge and difficult undertaking! im not a swift expert, but building your project for one of the officially supported targets shouldn't be considered a "phenomenal" achievent? lol
- Pfhortune 1y ago
  Ah, fair enough. Showing my ignorance on that one. I know little about their tech stack and was under the impression they had some secret sauce.
  - taminka 1y ago
    i mean they did have some really cool designs, but technically they just had relatively advanced chrome fork...
  - basisword 1y ago
    You're not ignorant, the other person was.
- askonomm 1y ago
  I recall something about them trying to get SwiftUI working on Windows, which would've been a pretty big thing indeed. No idea if they ever did or how exactly they built the Windows UI in the end.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- basisword 1y ago
  The achievement wasn't building Swift code on Windows, it was using Swift to build a native Windows application utilising Windows API's. https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-everywhere-windows-interop/ https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-everywhere-windows-interop/
- jshier 1y ago
  Considering TBC hired the one guy doing anything with Swift on Windows and paid for much of the work needed to make Windows an officially supported platform, it was still an achievement. I'm not even sure I'd call Windows officially supported since most of the support comes from TBC and not Apple or official Swift channels.
  - taminka 1y ago
    sounds like they made a stupid decision and had to pay for it w/ technical overhead? chrome already has ui rendering set up on windows, all they had to was not reinvent the wheel and just make tweaks to the ui and some server side magick on their end, but that would reveal the fact that they're an half a billion dollar 100 person chrome fork for nerds with no way to generate profit lol
neutronicus 1y ago
> Nobody wants to use an Atlassian browser. False. On my work machine, I would grasp at any straw that promised to make JIRA less annoying.
- Pfhortune 1y ago
  Based on my usage of Jira over the years, I believe all the annoying parts of Jira come from _within_ the walls of Atlassian HQ...
  - e40 1y ago
    This. They consistently ignore user feedback on problems with their ui. It’s really a mess and slow as hell.
- milkshakes 1y ago
  Or they could take that money and actually improve the UX instead of needing an AI to navigate it?
  - cyberpunk 1y ago
    They used to have an iPad app that made it actually tolerable. Then killed it. RIP ipad app. You are missed.
- makeitdouble 1y ago
  Did any Atlassian product ever make JIRA less annoying ? My impression was JiRA is the planet and everything else are satellites turning around. They come and go but never touch JIRA.
  - blackqueeriroh 1y ago
    yeah, lots of them. Every day. All the time. But you’d have to learn to understand that most of the problem you have with Jira has nothing to do with the tool and everything to do with how it’s been implemented.
jonas21 1y ago
If going from a product with miniscule market share and no revenue to a $610M exit is a tragic unforced downfall, I really need to start failing more.
- aiiizzz 1y ago
  Failing upwards in a nutshell
faizmokh 1y ago
> Nobody wants to use Atlassian browser. I don't want to use Jira either but yet I can't run away from it

taminka 1y ago

> having managed to get their swift-centric development working on _Windows_. That's a huge and difficult undertaking! im not a swift expert, but building your project for one of the officially supported targets shouldn't be considered a "phenomenal" achievent? lol

Pfhortune 1y ago
Ah, fair enough. Showing my ignorance on that one. I know little about their tech stack and was under the impression they had some secret sauce.
- taminka 1y ago
  i mean they did have some really cool designs, but technically they just had relatively advanced chrome fork...
- basisword 1y ago
  You're not ignorant, the other person was.
askonomm 1y ago
I recall something about them trying to get SwiftUI working on Windows, which would've been a pretty big thing indeed. No idea if they ever did or how exactly they built the Windows UI in the end.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
basisword 1y ago
The achievement wasn't building Swift code on Windows, it was using Swift to build a native Windows application utilising Windows API's. https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-everywhere-windows-interop/ https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-everywhere-windows-interop/
jshier 1y ago
Considering TBC hired the one guy doing anything with Swift on Windows and paid for much of the work needed to make Windows an officially supported platform, it was still an achievement. I'm not even sure I'd call Windows officially supported since most of the support comes from TBC and not Apple or official Swift channels.
- taminka 1y ago
  sounds like they made a stupid decision and had to pay for it w/ technical overhead? chrome already has ui rendering set up on windows, all they had to was not reinvent the wheel and just make tweaks to the ui and some server side magick on their end, but that would reveal the fact that they're an half a billion dollar 100 person chrome fork for nerds with no way to generate profit lol

neutronicus 1y ago

> Nobody wants to use an Atlassian browser. False. On my work machine, I would grasp at any straw that promised to make JIRA less annoying.

Pfhortune 1y ago
Based on my usage of Jira over the years, I believe all the annoying parts of Jira come from _within_ the walls of Atlassian HQ...
- e40 1y ago
  This. They consistently ignore user feedback on problems with their ui. It’s really a mess and slow as hell.
milkshakes 1y ago
Or they could take that money and actually improve the UX instead of needing an AI to navigate it?
- cyberpunk 1y ago
  They used to have an iPad app that made it actually tolerable. Then killed it. RIP ipad app. You are missed.
makeitdouble 1y ago
Did any Atlassian product ever make JIRA less annoying ? My impression was JiRA is the planet and everything else are satellites turning around. They come and go but never touch JIRA.
- blackqueeriroh 1y ago
  yeah, lots of them. Every day. All the time. But you’d have to learn to understand that most of the problem you have with Jira has nothing to do with the tool and everything to do with how it’s been implemented.

jonas21 1y ago

If going from a product with miniscule market share and no revenue to a $610M exit is a tragic unforced downfall, I really need to start failing more.

aiiizzz 1y ago
Failing upwards in a nutshell

faizmokh 1y ago

> Nobody wants to use Atlassian browser. I don't want to use Jira either but yet I can't run away from it