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So if you're scared to even look at countermeasures, they've already won.

by 1970-01-01 1y ago

Aurornis 1y ago
Discord is known for banning accounts that participate in servers that get flagged for illegal activity: https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting. Smart protesters would practice the most basic of OPSEC practices, like not joining random Discord links shared without context.
- 1970-01-01 1y ago
  Oh, come on yourself. Being in trouble for visiting a chatroom about illegal surveillance can be a badge of honor.
  - pavel_lishin 1y ago
    Some of us prefer not to wear badges.
- chaps 1y ago
  "It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting." Yeah, if you lack imagination ;) There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here. For one, VPNs and disposable accounts exist.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here Not exaggerating. Have had multiple friends lose Discord accounts suddenly because an old Discord they forgot about was flagged for illegal activity. There's an entire subreddit full of similar posts.
    - chaps 1y ago
      Yes, I'm aware that discord does it. But what I'm responding to is you saying that that the act of clicking a discord link will lead to a ban. That's an exaggeration.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    I don't disagree, but you are arguing against a strawman that was started upthread. GP didn't say they were afraid to look at countermeasures, they were questioning the wisdom of clicking a random link that goes to a closed platform that collects a ton of surveillance data and has a history of sharing with law enforcement. I try to avoid Discord for everything, regardless how innocuous the subject matter is.
    - chaps 1y ago
      We're agreement that discord sucks and should not be used for these sorts of communities. But I truly don't think that clicking on a discord link that already has 1500 people in it is going to be problematic to any degree that would lead to prosecution, banning, etc.
      - Aurornis 1y ago
        > But I truly don't think that clicking on a discord link that already has 1500 people in it is going to be problematic to any degree that would lead to prosecution, banning, etc. This comment section is about efforts to avoid driving past ALPR cameras that might collect your license plate number while doing innocuous driving around. Do you not see the logical inconsistency with encouraging people to join a Discord from a comment that talks about vandalizing government property, an actual crime?
    - Aurornis 1y ago
      > they were questioning the wisdom of clicking a random link that goes to a closed platform that collects a ton of surveillance data and has a history of sharing with law enforcement Surprisingly ironic, given that the topic is about security cameras from a company that collects data and shares it with law enforcement.
      - chaps 1y ago
        It's not ironic at all. It doesn't take much threat modeling to understand that the risk of getting banned from discord isn't the same risk. And whatever risk there is becomes offset by a need to want to protect your loved ones. If you don't want to put yourself into a limited risky situation, then you're good. But braver people will and that's okay.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > Yeah, if you lack imagination ;) > There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. The comment with the Discord was giving advice for vandalizing the cameras. Direct quote to what I was responding to: > you can spraypaint the lenses and/or the solar panels. If you dont want to get caught with spraypaint, use nutella or peanut butter. Its sticky and easily spreadable.
    - chaps 1y ago
      You cropped out the first part that implicitly indicates that there are more forms of protesting than direct action. I get what your point is, but I think you're making a mountain out of an ant hill. Just don't click the damn link lmao.
freedomben 1y ago
This is terrible advice unless you're trying to be a martyr. Considering and asking links before you click them is not unreasonable.
- bongodongobob 1y ago
  Yep just shut up and comply.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    Yep, because there are only two possibilities in this entirely binary world: click opaque links from strangers on the internet, or just shut up and comply
    - bongodongobob 1y ago
      You're right. Holding signs in the government approved free speech zone has totally worked historically.
    - crackez 1y ago
      "you're either with me or you're against me" is an indicator for a bad decision being forced upon you, often by a bad person. Best to just disregard and move on.

So if you're scared to even look at countermeasures, they've already won.

Discord is known for banning accounts that participate in servers that get flagged for illegal activity: https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting. Smart protesters would practice the most basic of OPSEC practices, like not joining random Discord links shared without context.

1970-01-01 1y ago
Oh, come on yourself. Being in trouble for visiting a chatroom about illegal surveillance can be a badge of honor.
- pavel_lishin 1y ago
  Some of us prefer not to wear badges.
chaps 1y ago
"It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting." Yeah, if you lack imagination ;) There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here. For one, VPNs and disposable accounts exist.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here Not exaggerating. Have had multiple friends lose Discord accounts suddenly because an old Discord they forgot about was flagged for illegal activity. There's an entire subreddit full of similar posts.
  - chaps 1y ago
    Yes, I'm aware that discord does it. But what I'm responding to is you saying that that the act of clicking a discord link will lead to a ban. That's an exaggeration.
- freedomben 1y ago
  I don't disagree, but you are arguing against a strawman that was started upthread. GP didn't say they were afraid to look at countermeasures, they were questioning the wisdom of clicking a random link that goes to a closed platform that collects a ton of surveillance data and has a history of sharing with law enforcement. I try to avoid Discord for everything, regardless how innocuous the subject matter is.
  - chaps 1y ago
    We're agreement that discord sucks and should not be used for these sorts of communities. But I truly don't think that clicking on a discord link that already has 1500 people in it is going to be problematic to any degree that would lead to prosecution, banning, etc.
    - Aurornis 1y ago
      > But I truly don't think that clicking on a discord link that already has 1500 people in it is going to be problematic to any degree that would lead to prosecution, banning, etc. This comment section is about efforts to avoid driving past ALPR cameras that might collect your license plate number while doing innocuous driving around. Do you not see the logical inconsistency with encouraging people to join a Discord from a comment that talks about vandalizing government property, an actual crime?
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > they were questioning the wisdom of clicking a random link that goes to a closed platform that collects a ton of surveillance data and has a history of sharing with law enforcement Surprisingly ironic, given that the topic is about security cameras from a company that collects data and shares it with law enforcement.
    - chaps 1y ago
      It's not ironic at all. It doesn't take much threat modeling to understand that the risk of getting banned from discord isn't the same risk. And whatever risk there is becomes offset by a need to want to protect your loved ones. If you don't want to put yourself into a limited risky situation, then you're good. But braver people will and that's okay.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > Yeah, if you lack imagination ;) > There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. The comment with the Discord was giving advice for vandalizing the cameras. Direct quote to what I was responding to: > you can spraypaint the lenses and/or the solar panels. If you dont want to get caught with spraypaint, use nutella or peanut butter. Its sticky and easily spreadable.
  - chaps 1y ago
    You cropped out the first part that implicitly indicates that there are more forms of protesting than direct action. I get what your point is, but I think you're making a mountain out of an ant hill. Just don't click the damn link lmao.

freedomben 1y ago

This is terrible advice unless you're trying to be a martyr. Considering and asking links before you click them is not unreasonable.

bongodongobob 1y ago
Yep just shut up and comply.
- freedomben 1y ago
  Yep, because there are only two possibilities in this entirely binary world: click opaque links from strangers on the internet, or just shut up and comply
  - bongodongobob 1y ago
    You're right. Holding signs in the government approved free speech zone has totally worked historically.
  - crackez 1y ago
    "you're either with me or you're against me" is an indicator for a bad decision being forced upon you, often by a bad person. Best to just disregard and move on.