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Deflock is a thing. https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R There's a lot of local Flock maps out there. You can also submit your own. For tho

Deflock is a thing. https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R There's a lot of local Flock maps out there. You can also submit your own. For those who are more inclined to direct protest, you can spraypaint the lenses and/or the solar panels. If you dont want to get caught with spraypaint, use nutella or peanut butter. Its sticky and easily spreadable. Not that I would ever recommend vandalization. Sure, the EFF and ACLU are going the legal route. That's all they can do.

JohnFen 1y ago
I use flock maps (but not this discord -- it smells suspicious to me) so that I can be aware of what streets to avoid traveling on.
- aerostable_slug 1y ago
  It's an abuse of the system so I'm not advocating it, but there's a temptation to add my residential subdivision to the map. I have to be honest: I don't really want people who wish to avoid police tracking in my neighborhood. I don't care why you don't want to be tracked; I suspect that some subset of those who don't want to be tracked may be criminals, and there's zero loss to me from reduced vehicular traffic, so why not? Why not take advantage of the perceived threat to privacy? It's like putting signs up on one's home or business windows that advertise surveillance cameras are in place — it's either neutral or a win to me no matter why the existence of said surveillance bothers someone.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    I disagree with you, but I applaud your willingness to be honest even though you had to have known it wouldn't be popular in this thread. I think you are articulating the same feelings that the majority of people probably feel, so I think your perspective is valuable. Thank you for sharing!
Aurornis 1y ago
> Deflock is a thing. https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R Can you describe what this is? If this is related to your other point about spraypainting lenses, I don't want to accidentally start clicking links for Discords about vandalizing government operations from my home IP address.
- 1970-01-01 1y ago
  So if you're scared to even look at countermeasures, they've already won.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    Discord is known for banning accounts that participate in servers that get flagged for illegal activity: https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting. Smart protesters would practice the most basic of OPSEC practices, like not joining random Discord links shared without context.
    - 1970-01-01 1y ago
      Oh, come on yourself. Being in trouble for visiting a chatroom about illegal surveillance can be a badge of honor.
      - pavel_lishin 1y ago
        Some of us prefer not to wear badges.
    - chaps 1y ago
      "It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting." Yeah, if you lack imagination ;) There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here. For one, VPNs and disposable accounts exist.
Citizen8396 1y ago
Using one surveillance platform to organize against another...
MisterTea 1y ago
Why not link to an actual map such as https://deflock.me/ https://deflock.me/ instead of a walled garden that is likely a surveillance and data mining platform?
- 1970-01-01 1y ago
  See also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=surveillance https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=surveilla...
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- 1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
  Does Discord have a public API https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.00627 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.00627
Der_Einzige 1y ago
Giving detailed instructions and then saying "but I wouldn't recommend it" is just saying "please do this but don't put me in jail for telling you to do it". Governments are not stupid and such tactics don't work. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/in-minecraft https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/in-minecraft
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JohnFen 1y ago

I use flock maps (but not this discord -- it smells suspicious to me) so that I can be aware of what streets to avoid traveling on.

aerostable_slug 1y ago
It's an abuse of the system so I'm not advocating it, but there's a temptation to add my residential subdivision to the map. I have to be honest: I don't really want people who wish to avoid police tracking in my neighborhood. I don't care why you don't want to be tracked; I suspect that some subset of those who don't want to be tracked may be criminals, and there's zero loss to me from reduced vehicular traffic, so why not? Why not take advantage of the perceived threat to privacy? It's like putting signs up on one's home or business windows that advertise surveillance cameras are in place — it's either neutral or a win to me no matter why the existence of said surveillance bothers someone.
- freedomben 1y ago
  I disagree with you, but I applaud your willingness to be honest even though you had to have known it wouldn't be popular in this thread. I think you are articulating the same feelings that the majority of people probably feel, so I think your perspective is valuable. Thank you for sharing!

Aurornis 1y ago

> Deflock is a thing. https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R https://discord.gg/2Ug7KC2R Can you describe what this is? If this is related to your other point about spraypainting lenses, I don't want to accidentally start clicking links for Discords about vandalizing government operations from my home IP address.

1970-01-01 1y ago
So if you're scared to even look at countermeasures, they've already won.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  Discord is known for banning accounts that participate in servers that get flagged for illegal activity: https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/ It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting. Smart protesters would practice the most basic of OPSEC practices, like not joining random Discord links shared without context.
  - 1970-01-01 1y ago
    Oh, come on yourself. Being in trouble for visiting a chatroom about illegal surveillance can be a badge of honor.
    - pavel_lishin 1y ago
      Some of us prefer not to wear badges.
  - chaps 1y ago
    "It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting." Yeah, if you lack imagination ;) There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here. For one, VPNs and disposable accounts exist.

Citizen8396 1y ago

Using one surveillance platform to organize against another...

MisterTea 1y ago

Why not link to an actual map such as https://deflock.me/ https://deflock.me/ instead of a walled garden that is likely a surveillance and data mining platform?

1970-01-01 1y ago
See also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=surveillance https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=surveilla...
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1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
Does Discord have a public API https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.00627 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.00627

Der_Einzige 1y ago

Giving detailed instructions and then saying "but I wouldn't recommend it" is just saying "please do this but don't put me in jail for telling you to do it". Governments are not stupid and such tactics don't work. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/in-minecraft https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/in-minecraft

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