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Feminist activist sent to prison for 'Allah is lesbian' T-shirt

33 points by fodmap 1y ago

ozgrakkurt 1y ago
Blasphemy being a legal charge gives a perspective on the state of the muslim countries
- Schweigerose 1y ago
  Don't worry. You don't have to look at "muslim countries". Blasphemy is a valid and actively weaponized legal charge in the German legal system [0] and as such hampers any discussion on religion and its influence and ubiquitous presence in German politics [1]. It goes so far as to enforcing the presentation of crucifixes in Bavarian class rooms and government agencies even though the German Federal Constitutional Court declared it illegal back in 1995. Way to go, Germany!! [0]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beschimpfung_von_Bekenntnissen,_Religionsgesellschaften_und_Weltanschauungsvereinigungen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beschimpfung_von_Bekenntnissen... [1]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatskirchenvertrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatskirchenvertrag [2]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-Beschluss https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-Beschluss P.S. Sorry for the links to German wikipedia. These articles describe the German situation in Germany and as such are not available in English. May be deepl.com can help.
  - krapp 1y ago
    The US has blasphemy laws still on the books in a few states, although broadly speaking such things are unconstitutional (for now...) And the US is trying to make it illegal to burn the flag, which is blasphemy against civic religion. And you can be arrested for blasphemy against Zionism and the American military industrial complex by protesting Israeli genocide and America's complicity in it. I also consider laws banning abortion to be anti-blasphemy laws since Christian doctrine is the basis for those laws. And as far as crosses go, numerous US states now require the posting of the Ten Commandments and incorporating the Bible into the curriculum, thanks to the Supreme Court essentially repealing the separation of church and state. Not to say the US is at the point of sending someone to prison for a "blasphemous" t-shirt, but let's not pretend America isn't headed gleefully in that direction. It's bad when it's Islam but OK when it's Christianity.
    - Moomoomoo309 1y ago
      Read the flag burning executive order - it's a nothingburger. It's been extremely misrepresented in the media. It makes nothing previously legal illegal and makes nothing previously illegal legal.
      - krapp 1y ago
        It is still clearly an attempt to sidestep the first amendment and make something that is established legal free expression a de facto crime.
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  Moms for Liberty enters the chat
danhau 1y ago
[flagged]
- pcf 1y ago
  Resisting monotheistic religion isn't "stupid". These activists are fighting for a very important cause that people should know about.
  - dttze 1y ago
    Gonna take a guess and say you don’t care about resisting Christianity or Judaism.
    - burnt-resistor 1y ago
      Please don't flame bait, especially about religions. Religions are all equally magical thinking nonsense with a kernel of prosocial aspirations, but that's okay so long as no one in particular is officially protected or endorsed as political [religion]. Separation between church and state (and wealth and journalism) is essential.
      - dttze 1y ago
        What are you talking about? The person posted for a political reason. Here he is asking why a story about the IDF slaughtering civilians is on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44675134 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44675134 But hey, this one is perfectly fine. Good even. Now, ask yourself: whats the difference between the two?
  - deleted 1y ago
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AnimalMuppet 1y ago
Morocco doesn't have US-style free speech. Film at 11.
iLemming 1y ago
"Religion's greatest trick wasn't convincing someone there was a God who was all powerful. It was convincing someone else that you couldn't ridicule the idea" R.Gervais
- nasmorn 1y ago
  The existence of religion in law as a separate category from other evidence less beliefs is truly wild. Even a lot of secular countries give it very special treatment. You can probably legally discriminate against someone professing their belief in lizard men during a job interview but would not be allowed to do so on religious beliefs.

33 points by fodmap 1y ago

ozgrakkurt 1y ago

Blasphemy being a legal charge gives a perspective on the state of the muslim countries

Schweigerose 1y ago
Don't worry. You don't have to look at "muslim countries". Blasphemy is a valid and actively weaponized legal charge in the German legal system [0] and as such hampers any discussion on religion and its influence and ubiquitous presence in German politics [1]. It goes so far as to enforcing the presentation of crucifixes in Bavarian class rooms and government agencies even though the German Federal Constitutional Court declared it illegal back in 1995. Way to go, Germany!! [0]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beschimpfung_von_Bekenntnissen,_Religionsgesellschaften_und_Weltanschauungsvereinigungen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beschimpfung_von_Bekenntnissen... [1]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatskirchenvertrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatskirchenvertrag [2]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-Beschluss https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-Beschluss P.S. Sorry for the links to German wikipedia. These articles describe the German situation in Germany and as such are not available in English. May be deepl.com can help.
- krapp 1y ago
  The US has blasphemy laws still on the books in a few states, although broadly speaking such things are unconstitutional (for now...) And the US is trying to make it illegal to burn the flag, which is blasphemy against civic religion. And you can be arrested for blasphemy against Zionism and the American military industrial complex by protesting Israeli genocide and America's complicity in it. I also consider laws banning abortion to be anti-blasphemy laws since Christian doctrine is the basis for those laws. And as far as crosses go, numerous US states now require the posting of the Ten Commandments and incorporating the Bible into the curriculum, thanks to the Supreme Court essentially repealing the separation of church and state. Not to say the US is at the point of sending someone to prison for a "blasphemous" t-shirt, but let's not pretend America isn't headed gleefully in that direction. It's bad when it's Islam but OK when it's Christianity.
  - Moomoomoo309 1y ago
    Read the flag burning executive order - it's a nothingburger. It's been extremely misrepresented in the media. It makes nothing previously legal illegal and makes nothing previously illegal legal.
    - krapp 1y ago
      It is still clearly an attempt to sidestep the first amendment and make something that is established legal free expression a de facto crime.
burnt-resistor 1y ago
Moms for Liberty enters the chat

danhau 1y ago

[flagged]

pcf 1y ago
Resisting monotheistic religion isn't "stupid". These activists are fighting for a very important cause that people should know about.
- dttze 1y ago
  Gonna take a guess and say you don’t care about resisting Christianity or Judaism.
  - burnt-resistor 1y ago
    Please don't flame bait, especially about religions. Religions are all equally magical thinking nonsense with a kernel of prosocial aspirations, but that's okay so long as no one in particular is officially protected or endorsed as political [religion]. Separation between church and state (and wealth and journalism) is essential.
    - dttze 1y ago
      What are you talking about? The person posted for a political reason. Here he is asking why a story about the IDF slaughtering civilians is on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44675134 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44675134 But hey, this one is perfectly fine. Good even. Now, ask yourself: whats the difference between the two?
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]

AnimalMuppet 1y ago

Morocco doesn't have US-style free speech. Film at 11.

iLemming 1y ago

"Religion's greatest trick wasn't convincing someone there was a God who was all powerful. It was convincing someone else that you couldn't ridicule the idea" R.Gervais

nasmorn 1y ago
The existence of religion in law as a separate category from other evidence less beliefs is truly wild. Even a lot of secular countries give it very special treatment. You can probably legally discriminate against someone professing their belief in lizard men during a job interview but would not be allowed to do so on religious beliefs.