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Were you even along for the ride man? Jobs/Apple was never about bundling tons of irrelevant features together (wireless charging? Please...), and winning by t

by batista 14y ago

Were you even along for the ride man? Jobs/Apple was never about bundling tons of irrelevant features together (wireless charging? Please...), and winning by ticking feature checkboxes. Jobs used to introduce a new iPod model every year or so. And he also got to introduce 4 iPhone models. Lots of times the changes were incremental (3G -> 3GS for example). Heck, back in the day, a new color or some more storage was considered a huge improvement over the previous iPod model. People literally went bezerk in the possibility that the next iPod could also play video (imagine that!). And now you have a mature phone, in it's 6th version, fast as hell, with a GPU that you would have killed for to have in your laptop half a decade ago, camera, gyro, retina, bigger screen, thin, new extremely featured iOS, some 500.000+ apps etc. What exactly do you want with that? Magic sprinkle dust? I would be satisfied even if Apple had only sticked to making computers/OS. They have far surpassed that. Nobody even asked them to make mp3 players, phones, or tablets in the first place. Since we will be using all of the above for the next 20 years, I think they will be fine, even if they dont pull another market/device out of their hats...

pooriaazimi 14y ago
You made a big mistake: It's now some 700,000+ apps! :)
- adhipg 14y ago
  , = . (and vice-versa) in some European countries. So he meant 500k + apps.
barrkel 14y ago
I wanted something that would be qualitatively better than current Android phones. It didn't deliver. At all. It's trivial for the phone to be better than 5+ year old tech. But that's a completely irrelevant comparison.
- veemjeem 14y ago
  The same could be said about the first gen ipod, when compared against the current lineup of mp3 players at the time. The ipod didn't even have wifi or a color display!
  - Steko 14y ago
    And less space than a nomad. Lame.
- batista 14y ago
  >I wanted something that would be qualitatively better than current Android phones. It didn't deliver. At all. IMHO, it's better than any Android phone out there, bar none. From the construction, to the display, to the weight and size, to the cpu/gpu combo, and more importantly to the huge app ecosystem that makes use of standard gizmos inside it, and ties it all together. Plus the media ecosystem. Plus the third-party peripheral ecosystem. >It's trivial for the phone to be better than 5+ year old tech. But that's a completely irrelevant comparison. Yes, completely irrelevant, since it's also better than any 1 month old tech, or the previous iPhone itself. What's the competition? Some Android phone that will be left without an update to the next Android version and which has the subpar Android app ecosystem and subpar construction/design? Or the Lumia that doesn't even have an OS out of beta yet and is "due to arrive later this year"?
bduerst 14y ago
I wouldn't call NFC an irrelevant feature.
WayneDB 14y ago
>> Since we will be using all of the above for the next 20 years... As if Apple had invented all of those things. They didn't. Far, far from it.
- batista 14y ago
  As if anyone except history books and nerds care who DID invent them. What matters is who made them popular and got them in our collective hands en masse. That's when the revolution starts, when people start buying them so you have improvements and cheaper price due to economies of scale, and you also get an ecosystem of apps, etc. Tablets pre-iPad might as well have been non-existing. Same for smartphones pre iPhone. I had several (Nokia, Sony Erricson etc. After the iPhone you couldn't stand this crap for a moment). I also had 2-3 mp3 players pre iPod. Including some bizarro Sony's own format players. Not even close to what we expect post-iPod.
- kahawe 14y ago
  Apple created the modern smartphone; they did definitely not invent all the necessary technologies but they were absolutely the first ones to come up with a package that people actually loved and bought. Before that, such a package did definitely NOT exist. Together with the "Apps" and AppStore, that is a market that Apple created. And they did the same with the tablet, they created a market that did not exist before - from existing technologies.
  - WayneDB 14y ago
    Sorry, but many, many people actually loved and bought other smartphones before Apple. Apple stands on the shoulders of giants like Nokia, Palm and Blackberry (aka Crackberry).
    - kahawe 14y ago
      I know. That's why I said: the modern smartphone. I have used a couple of those you mentioned and they just weren't the same. I doubt they even remotely pushed the kind of crazy numbers Apple and Androids are seeing each year now.

by batista 14y ago

pooriaazimi 14y ago

You made a big mistake: It's now some 700,000+ apps! :)

adhipg 14y ago
, = . (and vice-versa) in some European countries. So he meant 500k + apps.

barrkel 14y ago

I wanted something that would be qualitatively better than current Android phones. It didn't deliver. At all. It's trivial for the phone to be better than 5+ year old tech. But that's a completely irrelevant comparison.

veemjeem 14y ago
The same could be said about the first gen ipod, when compared against the current lineup of mp3 players at the time. The ipod didn't even have wifi or a color display!
- Steko 14y ago
  And less space than a nomad. Lame.
batista 14y ago
>I wanted something that would be qualitatively better than current Android phones. It didn't deliver. At all. IMHO, it's better than any Android phone out there, bar none. From the construction, to the display, to the weight and size, to the cpu/gpu combo, and more importantly to the huge app ecosystem that makes use of standard gizmos inside it, and ties it all together. Plus the media ecosystem. Plus the third-party peripheral ecosystem. >It's trivial for the phone to be better than 5+ year old tech. But that's a completely irrelevant comparison. Yes, completely irrelevant, since it's also better than any 1 month old tech, or the previous iPhone itself. What's the competition? Some Android phone that will be left without an update to the next Android version and which has the subpar Android app ecosystem and subpar construction/design? Or the Lumia that doesn't even have an OS out of beta yet and is "due to arrive later this year"?

bduerst 14y ago

I wouldn't call NFC an irrelevant feature.

WayneDB 14y ago

>> Since we will be using all of the above for the next 20 years... As if Apple had invented all of those things. They didn't. Far, far from it.

batista 14y ago
As if anyone except history books and nerds care who DID invent them. What matters is who made them popular and got them in our collective hands en masse. That's when the revolution starts, when people start buying them so you have improvements and cheaper price due to economies of scale, and you also get an ecosystem of apps, etc. Tablets pre-iPad might as well have been non-existing. Same for smartphones pre iPhone. I had several (Nokia, Sony Erricson etc. After the iPhone you couldn't stand this crap for a moment). I also had 2-3 mp3 players pre iPod. Including some bizarro Sony's own format players. Not even close to what we expect post-iPod.
kahawe 14y ago
Apple created the modern smartphone; they did definitely not invent all the necessary technologies but they were absolutely the first ones to come up with a package that people actually loved and bought. Before that, such a package did definitely NOT exist. Together with the "Apps" and AppStore, that is a market that Apple created. And they did the same with the tablet, they created a market that did not exist before - from existing technologies.
- WayneDB 14y ago
  Sorry, but many, many people actually loved and bought other smartphones before Apple. Apple stands on the shoulders of giants like Nokia, Palm and Blackberry (aka Crackberry).
  - kahawe 14y ago
    I know. That's why I said: the modern smartphone. I have used a couple of those you mentioned and they just weren't the same. I doubt they even remotely pushed the kind of crazy numbers Apple and Androids are seeing each year now.