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It is hardly surprising given these facts: 1. US is the largest oil producer country in the world 2. US knows it has lost the EV race 3. ICE employees have a

It is hardly surprising given these facts: 1. US is the largest oil producer country in the world 2. US knows it has lost the EV race 3. ICE employees have an outsized impact on elections due to where they live

pengaru 1y ago
> 1. US is the largest oil producer country in the world [citation needed] Here's mine, Saudi Arabia is by far the largest exporter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_exports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_expor... Perhaps you're confusing oil production with refined petroleum (e.g. gasoline) exports? Edit: Thanks for the correction, looks like for the last 8 or so years US has indeed occupied the top slot for production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Oil_Production.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Oil_Production.png
- aw1621107 1y ago
  > Here's mine, Saudi Arabia is by far the largest exporter: I think it's not unreasonable to think that "producer" means "producer", not "exporter". Wikipedia has a nominally matching article [0], which indeed lists the US as the largest producer of crude oil and lease condensate. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ...
  - saltcured 1y ago
    Perhaps it is unreasonable to conflate production and export in a discussion about the "strange" decision making of domestic industry players...?
    - SR2Z 1y ago
      I found using "producer" to mean "producer" was very clear to me.
- JimDugan 1y ago
  YOU are confusing crude oil production with exports. The US IS the largest oil producing country: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_pro... The parent commenter is right. You are wrong. Do a little Google search before commenting.
  - vwem 1y ago
    They did do one, but the US only slid into top spot somewhat recently it looks like? Can avoid the hostility.
    - BoredPositron 1y ago
      It's half a decade.
strawhatguy 1y ago
1 is not true, 2 maybe, but people haven’t bought EVs beyond the upper middle class segment too. 3 I don’t think it’s employees, but there’s definitely government involvement which has made innovation difficult. Plus, there’s a question if pure EVs are the best, perhaps EREVs might be better.
herbturbo 1y ago
4. America is a giant land mass and Americans want 500 miles of range when most countries are ok with 200.
- archagon 1y ago
  Most Americans don’t drive anywhere near that far.
  - tkjef 1y ago
    the range would be for more than one trip. anecdotally i had a 2011 Nissan Leaf 1st year it came out. Was neat. I have not gone back to electric. I sold it for $800 with 90k miles on it.

pengaru 1y ago

> 1. US is the largest oil producer country in the world [citation needed] Here's mine, Saudi Arabia is by far the largest exporter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_exports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_expor... Perhaps you're confusing oil production with refined petroleum (e.g. gasoline) exports? Edit: Thanks for the correction, looks like for the last 8 or so years US has indeed occupied the top slot for production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Oil_Production.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Oil_Production.png

aw1621107 1y ago
> Here's mine, Saudi Arabia is by far the largest exporter: I think it's not unreasonable to think that "producer" means "producer", not "exporter". Wikipedia has a nominally matching article [0], which indeed lists the US as the largest producer of crude oil and lease condensate. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ...
- saltcured 1y ago
  Perhaps it is unreasonable to conflate production and export in a discussion about the "strange" decision making of domestic industry players...?
  - SR2Z 1y ago
    I found using "producer" to mean "producer" was very clear to me.
JimDugan 1y ago
YOU are confusing crude oil production with exports. The US IS the largest oil producing country: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_pro... The parent commenter is right. You are wrong. Do a little Google search before commenting.
- vwem 1y ago
  They did do one, but the US only slid into top spot somewhat recently it looks like? Can avoid the hostility.
  - BoredPositron 1y ago
    It's half a decade.

strawhatguy 1y ago

1 is not true, 2 maybe, but people haven’t bought EVs beyond the upper middle class segment too. 3 I don’t think it’s employees, but there’s definitely government involvement which has made innovation difficult. Plus, there’s a question if pure EVs are the best, perhaps EREVs might be better.

herbturbo 1y ago

4. America is a giant land mass and Americans want 500 miles of range when most countries are ok with 200.

archagon 1y ago
Most Americans don’t drive anywhere near that far.
- tkjef 1y ago
  the range would be for more than one trip. anecdotally i had a 2011 Nissan Leaf 1st year it came out. Was neat. I have not gone back to electric. I sold it for $800 with 90k miles on it.