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> new connector How is "new connector" a good thing? It's still not USB. Looks like iPhone is playing catchup. How times change!

icefox 14y ago
No more putting in the connector upside down
batista 14y ago
>How is "new connector" a good thing? It's still not USB. Well, it's smaller enabling the phone to be thinner, more durable design, can go in either side up, and it's faster. >Looks like iPhone is playing catchup. How times change! Catchup to what? Phones with USB chargers?
- mibbitier 14y ago
  Name a feature the iPhone has, that say a Samsung S3 doesn't have. There are several the S3 has that aren't there on an iPhone.
  - loumf 14y ago
    There are many. The easiest answer is being able to run iOS apps -- which for many overrides almost anything else. Another is deep integration with Macs and AppleTV -- that solves real problems for me that (for example) wireless charging does not -- it's better, but not along a vector I care about (i.e. would make a decision on or pay for). Even just counting hardware, a giant battery and a much better processor enable a lot of use cases. Does the S3 have three mics, equivalent WIFI speed, as good a camera?
    - Steko 14y ago
      Cmon man, besides the fact that it's thinner, lighter, sturdier, has a higher density screen, a better screen technology, better graphics performance, better phone quality, a better camera, better media ecosystem, better apps, and will get timely & regular OS updates for several years what else have the Cupertinians done for us lately?
      - WayneDB 14y ago
        A list of barely perceptible (and some unproven) differences won't help Apple as the market share steadily trends away from them. I like to keep it simple. Larger screen, faster processor, expandable storage, Flash, Google Navigation, freedom to from Apple's draconian grip...take my money Samsung! It's no wonder Apple is suing. They know they're playing catch-up.
        lumisota 14y ago
        Sorry.. Flash? I think the market pretty much gave its opinion on that one.
        will_work4tears 14y ago
        I hate Apple (as a company) with the passion of 10,000 suns, but I gotta agree, I hate flash even more.
        WayneDB 14y ago
        The value judgement on Flash wasn't the point. The point is that I can do what I want to regardless of someone else's value judgement. And I'm far from alone. Over a half million people downloaded it from Google's app store and I'm sure that just as many have put it onto their phone without going through the store. - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.flashplayer&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.flas...
        loumf 14y ago
        They are getting all of the profit share (and actually increasing market share slightly). In the long term, if you take all the profits, others can't compete unless they do so asymmetrically (make profit some other way). No one has shown that they are doing this yet -- Google and Amazon have plays, but I don't see how Samsung can do this -- they need to make profit from the phone, and they don't make enough to compete long-term.
    - TheCapn 14y ago
      You're comparing brands and not features here. 1) iOS apps vs. Android apps is subjective 2) My Android has seamless integration to my Samsung TV and home media as well as laptop and PC via OSS apps and software. Again, we're debating branding at this point whether you want to say your AppleTV is better than my media solution, subjective. Objectively your points about speed and camera are true though. I'm wont deny its a quick phone but I have to agree with others saying it didn't bring anything innovative or new.
      - Steko 14y ago
        "iOS apps vs. Android apps is subjective" True but saying The Dark Knight is better then Clooney Batman is also a subjective judgement. Despite being a subjective judgement, if an overwhelming number of reasonable people agree with something you can comfortably assert it. "didn't bring anything innovative or new" Well console quality graphics will certainly be new if they deliver on this. Wideband audio + beamforming promises superior telephone performance which the iphone has always been sort of meh at. I'm only aware of one phone each that brings either of those (latest evo has HD audio and HTC one has beamforming) and none that have both
        css771 14y ago
        > if an overwhelming number of reasonable people agree with something you can comfortably assert it So you're saying even if the majority is wrong, they're always right?
        Steko 14y ago
        "majority" =/= "overwhelming number" "always right" =/= "comfortably assert" Nice demonstration of how to construct a straw man though.
        css771 14y ago
        It's the same principle and you're using it to suppport your subjective claims as fact.
    - sp332 14y ago
      I'm not sure about real-life speeds, but the iPhone's 802.11n is the bare-minimum 1 antenna, 1 channel version. Even my 3-year old laptop has a 300 Mbps chip built in.
  - anon808 14y ago
    Features are a quantitative measure, until we invent some qualitative measures, these comparisons are worthless.
  - nhangen 14y ago
    Airplay
- tesseractive 14y ago
  Phones with larger screens, widescreen, higher resolution (1280x720 is common now), NFC, and LTE. Like last year's Galaxy Nexus and the HTC One X and Galaxy S 3 that have been out for months. The Nokia 920 announced last week has all of that too, plus wireless charging, and a genuine leap forward in camera technology for phones. Apple is under no obligation to match anyone feature for feature, but for people who follow phones of various types, it seems bizarre and somewhat frustrating the way new iPhones get vastly outsized publicity for devices that are increasingly becoming trailing indicators of where the mobile industry is going.
  - sp332 14y ago
    A large screen is not always a feature. You can type on an iPhone screen with one thumb, I couldn't comfortably manage that on my old Evo 4G. The DPI is the same as last year's iPhone, basically identical with the Lumia 920 due out later this year (330 vs 332).
    - barista 14y ago
      yet the dpi on iPhone gets touted like its the greatest one made ever!
      - sp332 14y ago
        It almost was at the time, I think only 2 phones had been produced with higher DPI before, and the iPhone blew them away on color gamut, viewing angles, etc.
  - jsz0 14y ago
    increasingly becoming trailing indicators of where the mobile industry is going They are however very good implementations of where the industry currently is.

icefox 14y ago

No more putting in the connector upside down

batista 14y ago

>How is "new connector" a good thing? It's still not USB. Well, it's smaller enabling the phone to be thinner, more durable design, can go in either side up, and it's faster. >Looks like iPhone is playing catchup. How times change! Catchup to what? Phones with USB chargers?

mibbitier 14y ago
Name a feature the iPhone has, that say a Samsung S3 doesn't have. There are several the S3 has that aren't there on an iPhone.
- loumf 14y ago
  There are many. The easiest answer is being able to run iOS apps -- which for many overrides almost anything else. Another is deep integration with Macs and AppleTV -- that solves real problems for me that (for example) wireless charging does not -- it's better, but not along a vector I care about (i.e. would make a decision on or pay for). Even just counting hardware, a giant battery and a much better processor enable a lot of use cases. Does the S3 have three mics, equivalent WIFI speed, as good a camera?
  - Steko 14y ago
    Cmon man, besides the fact that it's thinner, lighter, sturdier, has a higher density screen, a better screen technology, better graphics performance, better phone quality, a better camera, better media ecosystem, better apps, and will get timely & regular OS updates for several years what else have the Cupertinians done for us lately?
    - WayneDB 14y ago
      A list of barely perceptible (and some unproven) differences won't help Apple as the market share steadily trends away from them. I like to keep it simple. Larger screen, faster processor, expandable storage, Flash, Google Navigation, freedom to from Apple's draconian grip...take my money Samsung! It's no wonder Apple is suing. They know they're playing catch-up.
      - lumisota 14y ago
        Sorry.. Flash? I think the market pretty much gave its opinion on that one.
        will_work4tears 14y ago
        I hate Apple (as a company) with the passion of 10,000 suns, but I gotta agree, I hate flash even more.
        WayneDB 14y ago
        The value judgement on Flash wasn't the point. The point is that I can do what I want to regardless of someone else's value judgement. And I'm far from alone. Over a half million people downloaded it from Google's app store and I'm sure that just as many have put it onto their phone without going through the store. - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.flashplayer&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.flas...
      - loumf 14y ago
        They are getting all of the profit share (and actually increasing market share slightly). In the long term, if you take all the profits, others can't compete unless they do so asymmetrically (make profit some other way). No one has shown that they are doing this yet -- Google and Amazon have plays, but I don't see how Samsung can do this -- they need to make profit from the phone, and they don't make enough to compete long-term.
  - TheCapn 14y ago
    You're comparing brands and not features here. 1) iOS apps vs. Android apps is subjective 2) My Android has seamless integration to my Samsung TV and home media as well as laptop and PC via OSS apps and software. Again, we're debating branding at this point whether you want to say your AppleTV is better than my media solution, subjective. Objectively your points about speed and camera are true though. I'm wont deny its a quick phone but I have to agree with others saying it didn't bring anything innovative or new.
    - Steko 14y ago
      "iOS apps vs. Android apps is subjective" True but saying The Dark Knight is better then Clooney Batman is also a subjective judgement. Despite being a subjective judgement, if an overwhelming number of reasonable people agree with something you can comfortably assert it. "didn't bring anything innovative or new" Well console quality graphics will certainly be new if they deliver on this. Wideband audio + beamforming promises superior telephone performance which the iphone has always been sort of meh at. I'm only aware of one phone each that brings either of those (latest evo has HD audio and HTC one has beamforming) and none that have both
      - css771 14y ago
        > if an overwhelming number of reasonable people agree with something you can comfortably assert it So you're saying even if the majority is wrong, they're always right?
        Steko 14y ago
        "majority" =/= "overwhelming number" "always right" =/= "comfortably assert" Nice demonstration of how to construct a straw man though.
        css771 14y ago
        It's the same principle and you're using it to suppport your subjective claims as fact.
  - sp332 14y ago
    I'm not sure about real-life speeds, but the iPhone's 802.11n is the bare-minimum 1 antenna, 1 channel version. Even my 3-year old laptop has a 300 Mbps chip built in.
- anon808 14y ago
  Features are a quantitative measure, until we invent some qualitative measures, these comparisons are worthless.
- nhangen 14y ago
  Airplay
tesseractive 14y ago
Phones with larger screens, widescreen, higher resolution (1280x720 is common now), NFC, and LTE. Like last year's Galaxy Nexus and the HTC One X and Galaxy S 3 that have been out for months. The Nokia 920 announced last week has all of that too, plus wireless charging, and a genuine leap forward in camera technology for phones. Apple is under no obligation to match anyone feature for feature, but for people who follow phones of various types, it seems bizarre and somewhat frustrating the way new iPhones get vastly outsized publicity for devices that are increasingly becoming trailing indicators of where the mobile industry is going.
- sp332 14y ago
  A large screen is not always a feature. You can type on an iPhone screen with one thumb, I couldn't comfortably manage that on my old Evo 4G. The DPI is the same as last year's iPhone, basically identical with the Lumia 920 due out later this year (330 vs 332).
  - barista 14y ago
    yet the dpi on iPhone gets touted like its the greatest one made ever!
    - sp332 14y ago
      It almost was at the time, I think only 2 phones had been produced with higher DPI before, and the iPhone blew them away on color gamut, viewing angles, etc.
- jsz0 14y ago
  increasingly becoming trailing indicators of where the mobile industry is going They are however very good implementations of where the industry currently is.