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Anecdotally I saw a post on reddit about a senior SWE in the USA who was laid off and couldn't get any interviews, with their old job outsourced to eastern Euro

by ENGNR 1y ago

Anecdotally I saw a post on reddit about a senior SWE in the USA who was laid off and couldn't get any interviews, with their old job outsourced to eastern Europe. And then this month the people he hadn't even got a response back from started requesting he apply for their jobs. Only one data point but the market might be coming back.

tayo42 1y ago
I did a bunch of interviews, I was actually busy with them, earlier this summer. I just can pass the damn system design interview lol ugh I think if your willing to go to the sf bay and work in an office there are lots of opportunities. Remote and high pay doesn't have alot of options.
- lisbbb 1y ago
  Remote is career suicide anyways.
  - boredtofears 1y ago
    How so?
  - tayo42 1y ago
    No other options though. I did the sf thing and don't want to go back. Don't want to live in NYC or Seattle or commute over an hour from NYC suburbs.
  - esseph 1y ago
    Not remotely true.
  - silisili 1y ago
    As a 20 year remote employee across multiple companies...in my experience, this is true depending on one's definition of career. If you want to advance high in the company, remote is going to stifle you unless the entire company is remote. And even then something as small as skipping an offsite or keeping your cam off will stifle you. Humans like connection, apparently. My own career progress was much slower and topped out lower than (in my enlightened opinion) much less qualified folks in office. That said, it's a tradeoff. I -still- wouldn't move to work in office knowing this. I value my family, time, and lifestyle I'm able to afford in a place I want to be more than making tons of money. In another 10 or 20 years I'm half sure I'll run the numbers and regret that, but so far so good.
  - janalsncm 1y ago
    I have been promoted while working remote, so I disagree. I don’t have 2 different 1 hour commute blocks on my calendar. While you’re fighting traffic, I’m working. While you’re rushing through your morning routine, I’m sitting at my computer catching up on slack. While you’re finding the meeting room, I’m reading the meeting prep material. While you’re getting distracted by Sales in your open office, I’m locked in, midway through a 2 hour coding session.
    - BobbyTables2 1y ago
      Did you actually get a promotion with pay increase? Or did they give you a title and say, great job — now we have higher expectations of you!
      - janalsncm 1y ago
        It was a $50k salary bump. What you’re talking about seems like an attempt to placate rather than reward.
        BobbyTables2 1y ago
        Wow, congratulations! Thought that only happened in fairy tales!
- 62951413 1y ago
  20 miles to SF, 25 yoe (backend, data, basic frontend), been there done that and all I have got is this automated rejection email
akrotkov 1y ago
Anecdotally in the past month or so, I've started seeing a large uptick in recruiter reach-outs. I had none for the past year (aside from directly reaching out), but there have been 4 cold contacts in the last couple of weeks alone now.

by ENGNR 1y ago

tayo42 1y ago

I did a bunch of interviews, I was actually busy with them, earlier this summer. I just can pass the damn system design interview lol ugh I think if your willing to go to the sf bay and work in an office there are lots of opportunities. Remote and high pay doesn't have alot of options.

lisbbb 1y ago
Remote is career suicide anyways.
- boredtofears 1y ago
  How so?
- tayo42 1y ago
  No other options though. I did the sf thing and don't want to go back. Don't want to live in NYC or Seattle or commute over an hour from NYC suburbs.
- esseph 1y ago
  Not remotely true.
- silisili 1y ago
  As a 20 year remote employee across multiple companies...in my experience, this is true depending on one's definition of career. If you want to advance high in the company, remote is going to stifle you unless the entire company is remote. And even then something as small as skipping an offsite or keeping your cam off will stifle you. Humans like connection, apparently. My own career progress was much slower and topped out lower than (in my enlightened opinion) much less qualified folks in office. That said, it's a tradeoff. I -still- wouldn't move to work in office knowing this. I value my family, time, and lifestyle I'm able to afford in a place I want to be more than making tons of money. In another 10 or 20 years I'm half sure I'll run the numbers and regret that, but so far so good.
- janalsncm 1y ago
  I have been promoted while working remote, so I disagree. I don’t have 2 different 1 hour commute blocks on my calendar. While you’re fighting traffic, I’m working. While you’re rushing through your morning routine, I’m sitting at my computer catching up on slack. While you’re finding the meeting room, I’m reading the meeting prep material. While you’re getting distracted by Sales in your open office, I’m locked in, midway through a 2 hour coding session.
  - BobbyTables2 1y ago
    Did you actually get a promotion with pay increase? Or did they give you a title and say, great job — now we have higher expectations of you!
    - janalsncm 1y ago
      It was a $50k salary bump. What you’re talking about seems like an attempt to placate rather than reward.
      - BobbyTables2 1y ago
        Wow, congratulations! Thought that only happened in fairy tales!
62951413 1y ago
20 miles to SF, 25 yoe (backend, data, basic frontend), been there done that and all I have got is this automated rejection email

akrotkov 1y ago

Anecdotally in the past month or so, I've started seeing a large uptick in recruiter reach-outs. I had none for the past year (aside from directly reaching out), but there have been 4 cold contacts in the last couple of weeks alone now.