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I use exactly this feature (and for the exact same reason!) and Organic Maps has been more than helpful for me. Search, Categories, Food, and then View on Map.

jraph 1y ago
Yep. And, unfortunately this is a bit hidden, but if you search "Vegetarian" it finds places where you can eat vegetarian and "Vegan" for places where you can eat vegan. I wonder how many hidden magic search strings like this there are, I'll report an issue for CoMaps to make them discoverable.
- pbmonster 1y ago
  > I wonder how many hidden magic search strings like this there are This drives me insane. I often use OSM for things like "show me all sources of drinking water along this route". But you need the magic key word. In this case, it's certainly not "drinking water (food) and not "drinking water (tourism)". It's also not "water tab (service)". "Fountain" works mostly OK (since fountain water must be labeled as non potable by law here if it is), but sometimes the fountain will be a tiny bird bath in someone's back yard. It's so stupid, OSM has data on publicly accessible drinking water, I know because I add them. There's even meta data on whether there's an explicit sign "potable" or not. I just haven't found that magic key word to display them.
  - jraph 1y ago
    For water specifically, it works well on CoMaps / Organic Maps (search > categories > water). It's too bad we don't have a convenient UI for desktop. OSM has to be the only thing that's more convenient to use on mobile for no good technical reasons. Just nobody has done it yet.
    - pbmonster 1y ago
      > Maps (search > categories > water) For my home town, that displays historic wells (deep, dry, no bucket, barred and locked) but not the little tab in the sandbox of the playground and not the public restroom in the center. So on first sight it's less useful than "fountain". But I'll play around with it on my next tour.
      - jraph 1y ago
        It'd be worth checking if these nodes are actually correctly mapped. For instance, historical wells that are dry, locked, etc should probably not be labeled with amenity=drinking_water. And the missing one should probably be updated to have it. More on this at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_water https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_w... In case you don't already know this and for others, you can use the editor at https://osm.org https://osm.org or the Every Door app on your mobile phone during your next tour for this (you'll need an OSM account to edit the map). I'm not 100% sure the CoMaps "Water" category uses amenity:drinking_water, but I have relied on it for this many times during bike tours or hikes without much surprise :-)
        pbmonster 1y ago
        > I'm not 100% sure the CoMaps "Water" category uses amenity:drinking_water, but I have relied on it for this many times during bike tours or hikes without much surprise Is there a way to search for the "amenity:drinking_water" tag directly in OSMand or CoMaps (or any other app)? Because this would probably fix everything. In the end, the apps suffer from the complexity of the underlying data. It probably wasn't a good idea to have drinking water (tourism), drinking water (store) and drinking water (man made), fountain, water tab, well, ... and probably a dozen different categories for map makers to chose from.
        jraph 1y ago
        Well, the reality is complex and OSM wants to be precise :-) Apps shall then make it easy to look for stuff and OSM labels are quite low level, they usually have their specific/internal representation of things. All this to say: - I doubt CoMaps allows searching for "amenity:drinking_water", at least I haven't found a way to do this. - That's what the higher level and more user-friendly Water category is supposed to be for. This will limit possibilities, but optimize for the common cases. If the Water category surfaces wrong things or doesn't surface things it should, it's a bug that needs to be fixed. - You might have better luck with apps for editing OSM for working with OSM labels directly but appart from basic use of Street Complete and Every Door, I haven't explored complex OSM app editors like Vespucci on mobile.

jraph 1y ago

Yep. And, unfortunately this is a bit hidden, but if you search "Vegetarian" it finds places where you can eat vegetarian and "Vegan" for places where you can eat vegan. I wonder how many hidden magic search strings like this there are, I'll report an issue for CoMaps to make them discoverable.

pbmonster 1y ago
> I wonder how many hidden magic search strings like this there are This drives me insane. I often use OSM for things like "show me all sources of drinking water along this route". But you need the magic key word. In this case, it's certainly not "drinking water (food) and not "drinking water (tourism)". It's also not "water tab (service)". "Fountain" works mostly OK (since fountain water must be labeled as non potable by law here if it is), but sometimes the fountain will be a tiny bird bath in someone's back yard. It's so stupid, OSM has data on publicly accessible drinking water, I know because I add them. There's even meta data on whether there's an explicit sign "potable" or not. I just haven't found that magic key word to display them.
- jraph 1y ago
  For water specifically, it works well on CoMaps / Organic Maps (search > categories > water). It's too bad we don't have a convenient UI for desktop. OSM has to be the only thing that's more convenient to use on mobile for no good technical reasons. Just nobody has done it yet.
  - pbmonster 1y ago
    > Maps (search > categories > water) For my home town, that displays historic wells (deep, dry, no bucket, barred and locked) but not the little tab in the sandbox of the playground and not the public restroom in the center. So on first sight it's less useful than "fountain". But I'll play around with it on my next tour.
    - jraph 1y ago
      It'd be worth checking if these nodes are actually correctly mapped. For instance, historical wells that are dry, locked, etc should probably not be labeled with amenity=drinking_water. And the missing one should probably be updated to have it. More on this at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_water https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_w... In case you don't already know this and for others, you can use the editor at https://osm.org https://osm.org or the Every Door app on your mobile phone during your next tour for this (you'll need an OSM account to edit the map). I'm not 100% sure the CoMaps "Water" category uses amenity:drinking_water, but I have relied on it for this many times during bike tours or hikes without much surprise :-)
      - pbmonster 1y ago
        > I'm not 100% sure the CoMaps "Water" category uses amenity:drinking_water, but I have relied on it for this many times during bike tours or hikes without much surprise Is there a way to search for the "amenity:drinking_water" tag directly in OSMand or CoMaps (or any other app)? Because this would probably fix everything. In the end, the apps suffer from the complexity of the underlying data. It probably wasn't a good idea to have drinking water (tourism), drinking water (store) and drinking water (man made), fountain, water tab, well, ... and probably a dozen different categories for map makers to chose from.
        jraph 1y ago
        Well, the reality is complex and OSM wants to be precise :-) Apps shall then make it easy to look for stuff and OSM labels are quite low level, they usually have their specific/internal representation of things. All this to say: - I doubt CoMaps allows searching for "amenity:drinking_water", at least I haven't found a way to do this. - That's what the higher level and more user-friendly Water category is supposed to be for. This will limit possibilities, but optimize for the common cases. If the Water category surfaces wrong things or doesn't surface things it should, it's a bug that needs to be fixed. - You might have better luck with apps for editing OSM for working with OSM labels directly but appart from basic use of Street Complete and Every Door, I haven't explored complex OSM app editors like Vespucci on mobile.