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Maybe. I had two different hiring managers in two different companies explicitly tell me and others to hire women or PoC. Yes it was illegal. No one cares.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago
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- nomel 1y ago
  > why AfD is on the rise Except for the 6 that just died, right before a local election [1]. [1] https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/germany-afd-candidates-die-election-2025-q05fsnjj9 https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/germany-afd-ca...
  - humpty-d 1y ago
    No mention that 2 candidates from other parties died in the run up. Or that it's out of 20,000+ individuals contesting various seats. No mention that they are mostly 59+ years old with preexisting health conditions. Luckily it gives us the most critical bit of info we could ask for, that Musk tweeted "!!" In summary this article is shit.
    - deleted 1y ago
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- thrance 1y ago
  Hating on minorities is nothing new, and has always been a powerful political driver. DEI is just another thing to direct that hate to, it doesn't matter what it actually is or does. Also, establising a link between DEI, a vague group of very mild and mostly ineffectual incentives, and the rise of right wing ideology is really dumb. No one would care about DEI if it hadn't been made a major talking point by right wing propagandists. If DEI didn't exist it would be something else that would "turn young men to the right". Don't fall for such basic propaganda. The war on these supposedly unfair hiring practices is being led by rich heirs that never did an honest day of work in their entire lives. Those disenfranchised young men buying the hate are made to turn against their own interests by the very same ones that fucked their opportunities in the first place.
  - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
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    - jachee 1y ago
      I know HN is gonna downvote me into oblivion for this, but… I’m a cis-het white dude, a this rings true for me: “When you’ve been in the majority for a long time, equality can feel like oppression.” Just because a system desires proportional representation does not mean it’s discriminatory against the majority. It just means it’s no longer preferential toward them.
      - beeflet 1y ago
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        jachee 1y ago
        When the system is dominated by the majority, and has been for a long time, a correction requires being “discriminatory against the majority”. “The system” itself was incorrect before. This is why it’s called systemic racism/sexism/etc.
        ajsnigrutin 1y ago
        But the kids applying to colleges today had nothing to do with the history. A white (or asian) boy won't get accepted to his chosen college because of something he had no influence on, be it "history" or his skin color and gender. Is collective punishment of kids for something they had nothing to do with really the answer?
        jachee 1y ago
        This thread is specifically about jobs, where people are specifically evaluated on an individual basis. University admissions are a whole different discussion, but are broken in similar ways.
IX-103 1y ago
Yep. It's much easier to improve your DEI metrics by doing it illegally than it is by doing it legally. I had an internship at a place like that and the first disabled woman of color to apply would have been practically guaranteed a job. Needless to say I didn't end up working there after the internship - if they're willing to break labor laws just to improve metrics then what's stopping them from trying to cheat their employees.
kenjackson 1y ago
What do you mean by PoC? Because PoC hiring barely budged during the "DEI era" -- unless you meant Indian/Asian PoC. For example at Google over that 10 year era (from 2014 to 2024) Black+Latino hiring by 6% points. Indian/Asian increased by almost 15%.
- greenavocado 1y ago
  PoC refers to non-European in HR speak
  - seivan 1y ago
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fennecfoxy 1y ago
Yes, even in my current job we don't explicitly hire for DEI type initiatives, but there is the general sense that we want to retain as many female or PoC staff as we can and we'd potentially go "above & beyond" for that.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago

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nomel 1y ago
> why AfD is on the rise Except for the 6 that just died, right before a local election [1]. [1] https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/germany-afd-candidates-die-election-2025-q05fsnjj9 https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/germany-afd-ca...
- humpty-d 1y ago
  No mention that 2 candidates from other parties died in the run up. Or that it's out of 20,000+ individuals contesting various seats. No mention that they are mostly 59+ years old with preexisting health conditions. Luckily it gives us the most critical bit of info we could ask for, that Musk tweeted "!!" In summary this article is shit.
  - deleted 1y ago
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thrance 1y ago
Hating on minorities is nothing new, and has always been a powerful political driver. DEI is just another thing to direct that hate to, it doesn't matter what it actually is or does. Also, establising a link between DEI, a vague group of very mild and mostly ineffectual incentives, and the rise of right wing ideology is really dumb. No one would care about DEI if it hadn't been made a major talking point by right wing propagandists. If DEI didn't exist it would be something else that would "turn young men to the right". Don't fall for such basic propaganda. The war on these supposedly unfair hiring practices is being led by rich heirs that never did an honest day of work in their entire lives. Those disenfranchised young men buying the hate are made to turn against their own interests by the very same ones that fucked their opportunities in the first place.
- ajsnigrutin 1y ago
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  - jachee 1y ago
    I know HN is gonna downvote me into oblivion for this, but… I’m a cis-het white dude, a this rings true for me: “When you’ve been in the majority for a long time, equality can feel like oppression.” Just because a system desires proportional representation does not mean it’s discriminatory against the majority. It just means it’s no longer preferential toward them.
    - beeflet 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - jachee 1y ago
        When the system is dominated by the majority, and has been for a long time, a correction requires being “discriminatory against the majority”. “The system” itself was incorrect before. This is why it’s called systemic racism/sexism/etc.
        ajsnigrutin 1y ago
        But the kids applying to colleges today had nothing to do with the history. A white (or asian) boy won't get accepted to his chosen college because of something he had no influence on, be it "history" or his skin color and gender. Is collective punishment of kids for something they had nothing to do with really the answer?
        jachee 1y ago
        This thread is specifically about jobs, where people are specifically evaluated on an individual basis. University admissions are a whole different discussion, but are broken in similar ways.

IX-103 1y ago

Yep. It's much easier to improve your DEI metrics by doing it illegally than it is by doing it legally. I had an internship at a place like that and the first disabled woman of color to apply would have been practically guaranteed a job. Needless to say I didn't end up working there after the internship - if they're willing to break labor laws just to improve metrics then what's stopping them from trying to cheat their employees.

kenjackson 1y ago

What do you mean by PoC? Because PoC hiring barely budged during the "DEI era" -- unless you meant Indian/Asian PoC. For example at Google over that 10 year era (from 2014 to 2024) Black+Latino hiring by 6% points. Indian/Asian increased by almost 15%.

greenavocado 1y ago
PoC refers to non-European in HR speak
- seivan 1y ago
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fennecfoxy 1y ago

Yes, even in my current job we don't explicitly hire for DEI type initiatives, but there is the general sense that we want to retain as many female or PoC staff as we can and we'd potentially go "above & beyond" for that.