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That's why we sell only the service [1] and point our users to the default app install (Wireguard in our case). Ever since Holla VPN and the entire Brightdata/L

That's why we sell only the service [1] and point our users to the default app install (Wireguard in our case). Ever since Holla VPN and the entire Brightdata/Luminati clusterf~ VPNs are a risky business for users. Most of them are proxy nodes underneath, they rent you datacenter IPs while they sell your residential internet to third parties. [1] https://www.anonymous-proxies.net/products/ https://www.anonymous-proxies.net/products/

timpera 1y ago
Do you have a source that shows that popular VPN providers such as Mullvad or NordVPN actually sell your residential internet to third parties? That's a bold claim, but pretty scary if true.
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  yes, search for NordVPN vs Luminatti (guys behind Holla VPN) scandal: "nordvpn luminati lawsuit patent". Basically Luminatti, now known as bright data, reached out to NordVPN in order to utilise their user's internet as residential proxy nodes. NordVPN thought otherwise and created their own network instead (Oxylabs if I'm not mistaken). They are still in patent wars I believe. I don't know anything bad about Mullvad! That being said I, as a small business owner in this space, will not use any of them, ever. I know it sounds like a "yeah right" because I sell the services but I know better.
  - kelnos 1y ago
    > I don't know anything bad about Mullvad! Is it even possible for them to do something like this for people who just use the OpenVPN/Wireguard configs and don't install an app?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
    > That being said I, as a small business owner in this space, will not use any of them, ever. I know it sounds like a "yeah right" because I sell the services but I know better. If you weren't you, would you trust your service?
- rpcope1 1y ago
  I mean can they really even if you're using off the shelf client software like plain OpenVPN?
  - arewethereyeta 1y ago
    maybe, harder tho and they will refuse to do so because that client install is close to malware on some providers. That's why we only hand out the config and instruct the user to install the official app.
mzajc 1y ago
> We offer highly secure, /.../Residential /.../ Proxies. Where do you get residential proxies? I ask because I'm always reminded of https://sponsor.ajay.app/emails/ https://sponsor.ajay.app/emails/.
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  Our residentials are actually dedicated which are advertised as residentials by the provider. Sort of a mix where you get speed and stability as opposed to real residentials which are known to barely hold a connection sometimes. We also tried subrenting some real residentials but we will probably close that service since it brings nothing but pain due to unreliability. We're more focused now on privacy oriented services or anti censorship ones. Working atm on bringing Amnezia Wireguard up, we launched Trojan proxies earlier this year also.
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  brightdata but it will cost several hundred USD per month

timpera 1y ago

Do you have a source that shows that popular VPN providers such as Mullvad or NordVPN actually sell your residential internet to third parties? That's a bold claim, but pretty scary if true.

arewethereyeta 1y ago
yes, search for NordVPN vs Luminatti (guys behind Holla VPN) scandal: "nordvpn luminati lawsuit patent". Basically Luminatti, now known as bright data, reached out to NordVPN in order to utilise their user's internet as residential proxy nodes. NordVPN thought otherwise and created their own network instead (Oxylabs if I'm not mistaken). They are still in patent wars I believe. I don't know anything bad about Mullvad! That being said I, as a small business owner in this space, will not use any of them, ever. I know it sounds like a "yeah right" because I sell the services but I know better.
- kelnos 1y ago
  > I don't know anything bad about Mullvad! Is it even possible for them to do something like this for people who just use the OpenVPN/Wireguard configs and don't install an app?
- yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
  > That being said I, as a small business owner in this space, will not use any of them, ever. I know it sounds like a "yeah right" because I sell the services but I know better. If you weren't you, would you trust your service?
rpcope1 1y ago
I mean can they really even if you're using off the shelf client software like plain OpenVPN?
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  maybe, harder tho and they will refuse to do so because that client install is close to malware on some providers. That's why we only hand out the config and instruct the user to install the official app.

mzajc 1y ago

> We offer highly secure, /.../Residential /.../ Proxies. Where do you get residential proxies? I ask because I'm always reminded of https://sponsor.ajay.app/emails/ https://sponsor.ajay.app/emails/.

arewethereyeta 1y ago
Our residentials are actually dedicated which are advertised as residentials by the provider. Sort of a mix where you get speed and stability as opposed to real residentials which are known to barely hold a connection sometimes. We also tried subrenting some real residentials but we will probably close that service since it brings nothing but pain due to unreliability. We're more focused now on privacy oriented services or anti censorship ones. Working atm on bringing Amnezia Wireguard up, we launched Trojan proxies earlier this year also.
ranger_danger 1y ago
brightdata but it will cost several hundred USD per month