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What it actually looks like: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612 https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612

by jelder 1y ago

petercooper 1y ago
And the mono variant: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612+Mono https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612+Mono
polishdude20 1y ago
Funny how it's supposed to be designed to be legible. I read that as "disengage" at first rather than "disregard"
- octo888 1y ago
  Not just me. Maybe it's how it's displayed on the web. I had an immediate "this is awful" response LOL
  - fmajid 1y ago
    The kerning is not great, for starters
    - atoav 1y ago
      Legible != Readable Legability means you have to be able to differenciate words and letters. With a font specialized for aerospace use that probably also mean it has to retain that quality when printed on panels. A special requirement I would think of is legability while in motion. Try taking your favourite, perfectly kerned font and reading it while shaking your head wildly in poor light conditions, then you get a hint of why this font isn't optimized for looks.
- Night_Thastus 1y ago
  It may account for the specific displays used in the cockpit, the colors of the font and background, and maybe even interior lighting. IOW it may be more optimal in its real usage.
ShakataGaNai 1y ago
Thank you, that's the one thing I'd expect to be a screenshot in a github repo. Regardless, I don't find it particularly legible. The taller aspect ratio with narrow letter gap actually is not super readable to me? Maybe It's "more readable" for plane screen fonts than the other alternatives. It's not fair looking at a font on a 49" highdef ultrawide and saying "This isn't as good".
- kergonath 1y ago
  > Thank you, that's the one thing I'd expect to be a screenshot in a github repo. Indeed. That’s clearly missing from the readme. > Maybe It's "more readable" for plane screen fonts than the other alternatives. It's not fair looking at a font on a 49" highdef ultrawide and saying "This isn't as good". Yeah. Their benchmark was suboptimal conditions in an aircraft cockpit. I would assume that they tested drastically different lighting conditions and exotic factors (for a font designed for computers) such as motion, vibration, and crew exhaustion.
- cratermoon 1y ago
  It's very readable at small sizes. Try 8 point. Edit: even better, grab a METAR from your favorite airport and drop it in at 8 point
  - Doxin 1y ago
    That's surprisingly readable for such a tiny size!
  - riedel 1y ago
    I wonder if the main effect is that it is readable for people with begining presbyopia (like me). It seems that this is a problem particularly for pilots and it can be compensated heavily by optimizing visual processing [0]. I at least have the feeling that the small font could be perfect for packaging as it seems to be better readable with my age related farsightedness and could relieve my struggles shopping. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698917302055?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004269891...
dude250711 1y ago
Google using anti-Google text specimens is wild: "...No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,...". Then again, it could have been edited by Gemini.
- rafram 1y ago
  https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...
oniony 1y ago
There is actually a sample in the repo: https://github.com/polarsys/b612/blob/master/docs/sample.png https://github.com/polarsys/b612/blob/master/docs/sample.png.
asciimo 1y ago
There is a PDF and a PNG in the docs/ folder (https://github.com/polarsys/b612/tree/master/docs https://github.com/polarsys/b612/tree/master/docs), too.

What it actually looks like: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612 https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612

by jelder 1y ago

What it actually looks like: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612 https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612

petercooper 1y ago

And the mono variant: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612+Mono https://fonts.google.com/specimen/B612+Mono

polishdude20 1y ago

Funny how it's supposed to be designed to be legible. I read that as "disengage" at first rather than "disregard"

octo888 1y ago
Not just me. Maybe it's how it's displayed on the web. I had an immediate "this is awful" response LOL
- fmajid 1y ago
  The kerning is not great, for starters
  - atoav 1y ago
    Legible != Readable Legability means you have to be able to differenciate words and letters. With a font specialized for aerospace use that probably also mean it has to retain that quality when printed on panels. A special requirement I would think of is legability while in motion. Try taking your favourite, perfectly kerned font and reading it while shaking your head wildly in poor light conditions, then you get a hint of why this font isn't optimized for looks.
Night_Thastus 1y ago
It may account for the specific displays used in the cockpit, the colors of the font and background, and maybe even interior lighting. IOW it may be more optimal in its real usage.

ShakataGaNai 1y ago

Thank you, that's the one thing I'd expect to be a screenshot in a github repo. Regardless, I don't find it particularly legible. The taller aspect ratio with narrow letter gap actually is not super readable to me? Maybe It's "more readable" for plane screen fonts than the other alternatives. It's not fair looking at a font on a 49" highdef ultrawide and saying "This isn't as good".

kergonath 1y ago
> Thank you, that's the one thing I'd expect to be a screenshot in a github repo. Indeed. That’s clearly missing from the readme. > Maybe It's "more readable" for plane screen fonts than the other alternatives. It's not fair looking at a font on a 49" highdef ultrawide and saying "This isn't as good". Yeah. Their benchmark was suboptimal conditions in an aircraft cockpit. I would assume that they tested drastically different lighting conditions and exotic factors (for a font designed for computers) such as motion, vibration, and crew exhaustion.
cratermoon 1y ago
It's very readable at small sizes. Try 8 point. Edit: even better, grab a METAR from your favorite airport and drop it in at 8 point
- Doxin 1y ago
  That's surprisingly readable for such a tiny size!
- riedel 1y ago
  I wonder if the main effect is that it is readable for people with begining presbyopia (like me). It seems that this is a problem particularly for pilots and it can be compensated heavily by optimizing visual processing [0]. I at least have the feeling that the small font could be perfect for packaging as it seems to be better readable with my age related farsightedness and could relieve my struggles shopping. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698917302055?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004269891...

dude250711 1y ago

Google using anti-Google text specimens is wild: "...No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,...". Then again, it could have been edited by Gemini.

rafram 1y ago
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

oniony 1y ago

There is actually a sample in the repo: https://github.com/polarsys/b612/blob/master/docs/sample.png https://github.com/polarsys/b612/blob/master/docs/sample.png.

asciimo 1y ago

There is a PDF and a PNG in the docs/ folder (https://github.com/polarsys/b612/tree/master/docs https://github.com/polarsys/b612/tree/master/docs), too.