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Americans like to teach about free speech, as long as your grass is not too tall or your house has approved color by HOA apparatchiks. Or as long as you are no

Americans like to teach about free speech, as long as your grass is not too tall or your house has approved color by HOA apparatchiks. Or as long as you are not burning a US flag in USA, which will land you in prison. And I dare you use words "Mexican Gulf", then your glorious leader will personally ban you from entering White House.

znpy 1y ago
Whataboutism
brador 1y ago
Don’t forget NDAs. Enforcement of them through the courts seems like a clear free speech issue but no one ever mentions it.
- general1465 1y ago
  The whole US law system is abomination against justice and free speech. No money = you lose by default. If you are poor you are always wrong and should be quiet.
RestlessMind 1y ago
> as long as your grass is not too tall or your house has approved color by HOA apparatchiks. Freedom of speech, and overall first amendment, is about freedom from government restrictions. Doesn't apply to private organizations modulo some cases like civil rights. > Or as long as you are not burning a US flag in USA, which will land you in prison. Facts speak otherwise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson > And I dare you use words "Mexican Gulf", then your glorious leader will personally ban you from entering White House. Glorious leader can ban you from entering White House for whatever reason he deems fit. It is his residence and his office. Nothing to do with free speech. I can organize a protest outside White House and he can't do anything as long as it's a peaceful protest (again, right granted by 1A). Please research your facts next time.
- general1465 1y ago
  > Facts speak otherwise Facts has changed in last few days. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/pros... AP has been barred by the government for using wrong words https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78je27x2v9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78je27x2v9o "District Judge Trevor McFadden on Tuesday said the administration's restriction on AP journalists was "contrary to the First Amendment", which guarantees freedom of speech." Please research your "facts" next time.
  - defrost 1y ago
    The facts are that Trump, POTUS or not, can write such a thing but still has to travel a long road to make it happen. * https://www.npr.org/2025/08/27/nx-s1-5518151/flag-burning-executive-order https://www.npr.org/2025/08/27/nx-s1-5518151/flag-burning-ex... * https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/the-supreme-court-and-flag-burning-an-explainer/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/the-supreme-court-and-fla...
    - general1465 1y ago
      He is also not allowed to impose tariffs as he wishes, but look what is happening. So whatever law experts thinks, does not matter. Glorious leader wills it.
      - RestlessMind 1y ago
        > but look what is happening As of now, a federal court has ruled 7-4 against it. Proves the GP point

znpy 1y ago

Whataboutism

brador 1y ago

Don’t forget NDAs. Enforcement of them through the courts seems like a clear free speech issue but no one ever mentions it.

general1465 1y ago
The whole US law system is abomination against justice and free speech. No money = you lose by default. If you are poor you are always wrong and should be quiet.

RestlessMind 1y ago

> as long as your grass is not too tall or your house has approved color by HOA apparatchiks. Freedom of speech, and overall first amendment, is about freedom from government restrictions. Doesn't apply to private organizations modulo some cases like civil rights. > Or as long as you are not burning a US flag in USA, which will land you in prison. Facts speak otherwise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson > And I dare you use words "Mexican Gulf", then your glorious leader will personally ban you from entering White House. Glorious leader can ban you from entering White House for whatever reason he deems fit. It is his residence and his office. Nothing to do with free speech. I can organize a protest outside White House and he can't do anything as long as it's a peaceful protest (again, right granted by 1A). Please research your facts next time.

general1465 1y ago
> Facts speak otherwise Facts has changed in last few days. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/pros... AP has been barred by the government for using wrong words https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78je27x2v9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78je27x2v9o "District Judge Trevor McFadden on Tuesday said the administration's restriction on AP journalists was "contrary to the First Amendment", which guarantees freedom of speech." Please research your "facts" next time.
- defrost 1y ago
  The facts are that Trump, POTUS or not, can write such a thing but still has to travel a long road to make it happen. * https://www.npr.org/2025/08/27/nx-s1-5518151/flag-burning-executive-order https://www.npr.org/2025/08/27/nx-s1-5518151/flag-burning-ex... * https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/the-supreme-court-and-flag-burning-an-explainer/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/the-supreme-court-and-fla...
  - general1465 1y ago
    He is also not allowed to impose tariffs as he wishes, but look what is happening. So whatever law experts thinks, does not matter. Glorious leader wills it.
    - RestlessMind 1y ago
      > but look what is happening As of now, a federal court has ruled 7-4 against it. Proves the GP point