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> Like, say, continuing to work the job even after their work visa expired? Yes? I've literally wrote it in my comment. > I'm not talking about those people w

> Like, say, continuing to work the job even after their work visa expired? Yes? I've literally wrote it in my comment. > I'm not talking about those people who lawfully stop working during that window, I'm talking about those who do not have that luxury to coast for 90+ some odd days. I do not understand what does it have to do with anything? Definitions are definitions, and reasons for violating the terms of the visa are reasons for violating the terms. Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. > Because you're the kind of person who acts like our immigration woes happened 3-4 years ago. I have no idea what are you talking about. If you can, please form a coherent argument. > These statements are not hypotheticals. They are detaining those with lawful status. They are sending people to CECOT without due process. They are ignoring court opinions. The Republican party did vote down a bipartisan bill in the end because Trump didn't want it. You appear to not engage with reality. What reality? How old are you? I am old enough to remember that in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? This is hacker news, not reddit. Try to engage like an adult.

vel0city 1y ago
> Their workloads increased significantly over the past 3-4 years due to various factors, unfortunately. Must be outside of your context window. You were clearly drawing in the idea this backlog of cases and immigration state we're in is the result largely from Biden's term. I see no other real reason to include such a statement. It's been true for decades. > Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. Not what I'm suggesting in the slightest. Reread my statements to find out more. > What reality? Denying obvious facts. Incredible. Please inform yourself to the reality of today before engaging. I'm not going to continue engaging with people who can't see what's happening around them and denying clear facts. > in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? Ah yes, the democrats had four years of control of the government since Obama was elected, they didn't completely solve immigration, therefore they're at fault for sending people to CECOT without due process. Makes total rational sense. I do blame most of the Democrats for not adequately solving things and running campaigns they seem like they're trying to lose (Beto telling Texans he's going to take away their guns, wtf?), but acting like they're doing the same things is denying reality. It's probably true most of both sides don't really want to fix the problem, but one is building prison camps and sending people to places like CECOT and one is making deferred actions. Quite different wouldn't you say? The Republicans have been in charge of Congress for most of the last 20+ years. Why haven't they passed meaningful immigration reform? It's not like Biden and Obama vetoed that many immigration bills. Once again, reconnect with reality again before you reply. Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more.
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  > Must be outside of your context window. You were clearly drawing in the idea this backlog of cases and immigration state we're in is the result largely from Biden's term. I see no other real reason to include such a statement. It's been true for decades. Sure. However, areas I am interested in, become significantly worse the past 3-4 years, e.g., EB2-NIW, and similar categories. I have no idea why you think I mentioned it as a "Biden's fault" comment. But, whatever lol > Not what I'm suggesting in the slightest. Then why are you arguing that anyone on a valid visa but engaging in unauthorized work becomes an illegal immigrant? > Denying obvious facts. Incredible. Where? > Once again, reconnect with reality again before you reply. I am. > Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more. I am not interested, tbh. I have a life. Our convo began with me asking you for an example of a documented-> undocumented->documented transition, and you failed to provide it. Instead, you tried to argue that someone who is on a valid status but engages in unauthorized employment is illegal immigrant, which I disputed. Then, you backtracked, and went on a tangent about Biden, Trump, camps, etc.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    > The others is to send people to CECOT and other prison camps with no due process (even those with legal status) and ignore the courts. > I am sorry, but I do not plan to engage in emotions and hypothetical > Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more. >I am not interested So just willfully ignorant. Strange how you seem to be so well versed on the topic but choose to bury your head in the sand on anything current. > Then, you backtracked I have not changed my stance on anything I've claimed in this entire thread. > someone who is on a valid status but engages in unauthorized employment is illegal immigrant I mean, they are. They're overstaying their work visa and are fraudulently applying and staying under a different visa under false pretenses. What do we call people who overstay visas (continuing employment under a temporary work visa) and apply for other visas under false pretenses? I guess I did fail to show a documented->undocumented->documented, only a legal->illegal->legal change. Sorry, my bad. They're still involved in illegal, undocumented labor. But even then, that's under the assumption they bothered applying for some other visa in the in-between time, not everyone does.

vel0city 1y ago

> Their workloads increased significantly over the past 3-4 years due to various factors, unfortunately. Must be outside of your context window. You were clearly drawing in the idea this backlog of cases and immigration state we're in is the result largely from Biden's term. I see no other real reason to include such a statement. It's been true for decades. > Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. Not what I'm suggesting in the slightest. Reread my statements to find out more. > What reality? Denying obvious facts. Incredible. Please inform yourself to the reality of today before engaging. I'm not going to continue engaging with people who can't see what's happening around them and denying clear facts. > in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? Ah yes, the democrats had four years of control of the government since Obama was elected, they didn't completely solve immigration, therefore they're at fault for sending people to CECOT without due process. Makes total rational sense. I do blame most of the Democrats for not adequately solving things and running campaigns they seem like they're trying to lose (Beto telling Texans he's going to take away their guns, wtf?), but acting like they're doing the same things is denying reality. It's probably true most of both sides don't really want to fix the problem, but one is building prison camps and sending people to places like CECOT and one is making deferred actions. Quite different wouldn't you say? The Republicans have been in charge of Congress for most of the last 20+ years. Why haven't they passed meaningful immigration reform? It's not like Biden and Obama vetoed that many immigration bills. Once again, reconnect with reality again before you reply. Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more.

reliabilityguy 1y ago
> Must be outside of your context window. You were clearly drawing in the idea this backlog of cases and immigration state we're in is the result largely from Biden's term. I see no other real reason to include such a statement. It's been true for decades. Sure. However, areas I am interested in, become significantly worse the past 3-4 years, e.g., EB2-NIW, and similar categories. I have no idea why you think I mentioned it as a "Biden's fault" comment. But, whatever lol > Not what I'm suggesting in the slightest. Then why are you arguing that anyone on a valid visa but engaging in unauthorized work becomes an illegal immigrant? > Denying obvious facts. Incredible. Where? > Once again, reconnect with reality again before you reply. I am. > Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more. I am not interested, tbh. I have a life. Our convo began with me asking you for an example of a documented-> undocumented->documented transition, and you failed to provide it. Instead, you tried to argue that someone who is on a valid status but engages in unauthorized employment is illegal immigrant, which I disputed. Then, you backtracked, and went on a tangent about Biden, Trump, camps, etc.
- vel0city 1y ago
  > The others is to send people to CECOT and other prison camps with no due process (even those with legal status) and ignore the courts. > I am sorry, but I do not plan to engage in emotions and hypothetical > Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more. >I am not interested So just willfully ignorant. Strange how you seem to be so well versed on the topic but choose to bury your head in the sand on anything current. > Then, you backtracked I have not changed my stance on anything I've claimed in this entire thread. > someone who is on a valid status but engages in unauthorized employment is illegal immigrant I mean, they are. They're overstaying their work visa and are fraudulently applying and staying under a different visa under false pretenses. What do we call people who overstay visas (continuing employment under a temporary work visa) and apply for other visas under false pretenses? I guess I did fail to show a documented->undocumented->documented, only a legal->illegal->legal change. Sorry, my bad. They're still involved in illegal, undocumented labor. But even then, that's under the assumption they bothered applying for some other visa in the in-between time, not everyone does.