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> Working without authorization is being an illegal migrant being an "illegal immigrant". No. Illegal immigrant is someone who entered without inspection, or s

> Working without authorization is being an illegal migrant being an "illegal immigrant". No. Illegal immigrant is someone who entered without inspection, or someone who overstayed their visa (e.g., B1 tourist admitted for 90 days, and who failed to leave the US). See here, for example, https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/illegal_immigrant https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/illegal_immigrant In contrast to that, the same individual on B1 visa admitted for 90 days who decided to work without authorization, and caught, will not be considered illegal immigrant, because they are in the country legally even though they violate some terms of their visa. Of course, when caught they probably will be deported, which again won't make them illegal immigrants. I do not know why can accept that these are two different definitions. I personally know F-2 visa holders who had to not work between EADs. It did not make them illegal immigrants, because they had a valid status. > You're showing your true colors suggesting this issue happened during Biden's term, and now you're both sides-ing the issue. One side's solution was passing an immigration reform bill and hiring more judges and administration to handle the influx in applications. The others is to send people to CECOT and other prison camps with no due process (even those with legal status) and ignore the courts. They're not the same. I am sorry, but I do not plan to engage in emotions and hypotheticals as it is not constructive and leads nowhere.

vel0city 1y ago
> someone who overstayed their visa Like, say, continuing to work the job even after their work visa expired? > I personally know F-2 visa holders who had to not work between EADs. It did not make them illegal immigrants I'm not talking about those people who lawfully stop working during that window, I'm talking about those who do not have that luxury to coast for 90+ some odd days. I do not know why you can't seem to understand it. Actually, I do. Because you're the kind of person who acts like our immigration woes happened 3-4 years ago. > will not be considered illegal immigrant You're narrowly defining "illegal immigrant" as someone without any visa status. Most others would include violating the terms of their lawful admission, aka working when they're on a tourist visa. There isn't an official government definition to "illegal immigrant" under the law. > engage in emotions and hypotheticals These statements are not hypotheticals. They are detaining those with lawful status. They are sending people to CECOT without due process. They are ignoring court opinions. The Republican party did vote down a bipartisan bill in the end because Trump didn't want it. You appear to not engage with reality.
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  > Like, say, continuing to work the job even after their work visa expired? Yes? I've literally wrote it in my comment. > I'm not talking about those people who lawfully stop working during that window, I'm talking about those who do not have that luxury to coast for 90+ some odd days. I do not understand what does it have to do with anything? Definitions are definitions, and reasons for violating the terms of the visa are reasons for violating the terms. Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. > Because you're the kind of person who acts like our immigration woes happened 3-4 years ago. I have no idea what are you talking about. If you can, please form a coherent argument. > These statements are not hypotheticals. They are detaining those with lawful status. They are sending people to CECOT without due process. They are ignoring court opinions. The Republican party did vote down a bipartisan bill in the end because Trump didn't want it. You appear to not engage with reality. What reality? How old are you? I am old enough to remember that in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? This is hacker news, not reddit. Try to engage like an adult.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    > Their workloads increased significantly over the past 3-4 years due to various factors, unfortunately. Must be outside of your context window. You were clearly drawing in the idea this backlog of cases and immigration state we're in is the result largely from Biden's term. I see no other real reason to include such a statement. It's been true for decades. > Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. Not what I'm suggesting in the slightest. Reread my statements to find out more. > What reality? Denying obvious facts. Incredible. Please inform yourself to the reality of today before engaging. I'm not going to continue engaging with people who can't see what's happening around them and denying clear facts. > in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? Ah yes, the democrats had four years of control of the government since Obama was elected, they didn't completely solve immigration, therefore they're at fault for sending people to CECOT without due process. Makes total rational sense. I do blame most of the Democrats for not adequately solving things and running campaigns they seem like they're trying to lose (Beto telling Texans he's going to take away their guns, wtf?), but acting like they're doing the same things is denying reality. It's probably true most of both sides don't really want to fix the problem, but one is building prison camps and sending people to places like CECOT and one is making deferred actions. Quite different wouldn't you say? The Republicans have been in charge of Congress for most of the last 20+ years. Why haven't they passed meaningful immigration reform? It's not like Biden and Obama vetoed that many immigration bills. Once again, reconnect with reality again before you reply. Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more.

vel0city 1y ago

> someone who overstayed their visa Like, say, continuing to work the job even after their work visa expired? > I personally know F-2 visa holders who had to not work between EADs. It did not make them illegal immigrants I'm not talking about those people who lawfully stop working during that window, I'm talking about those who do not have that luxury to coast for 90+ some odd days. I do not know why you can't seem to understand it. Actually, I do. Because you're the kind of person who acts like our immigration woes happened 3-4 years ago. > will not be considered illegal immigrant You're narrowly defining "illegal immigrant" as someone without any visa status. Most others would include violating the terms of their lawful admission, aka working when they're on a tourist visa. There isn't an official government definition to "illegal immigrant" under the law. > engage in emotions and hypotheticals These statements are not hypotheticals. They are detaining those with lawful status. They are sending people to CECOT without due process. They are ignoring court opinions. The Republican party did vote down a bipartisan bill in the end because Trump didn't want it. You appear to not engage with reality.

reliabilityguy 1y ago
> Like, say, continuing to work the job even after their work visa expired? Yes? I've literally wrote it in my comment. > I'm not talking about those people who lawfully stop working during that window, I'm talking about those who do not have that luxury to coast for 90+ some odd days. I do not understand what does it have to do with anything? Definitions are definitions, and reasons for violating the terms of the visa are reasons for violating the terms. Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. > Because you're the kind of person who acts like our immigration woes happened 3-4 years ago. I have no idea what are you talking about. If you can, please form a coherent argument. > These statements are not hypotheticals. They are detaining those with lawful status. They are sending people to CECOT without due process. They are ignoring court opinions. The Republican party did vote down a bipartisan bill in the end because Trump didn't want it. You appear to not engage with reality. What reality? How old are you? I am old enough to remember that in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? This is hacker news, not reddit. Try to engage like an adult.
- vel0city 1y ago
  > Their workloads increased significantly over the past 3-4 years due to various factors, unfortunately. Must be outside of your context window. You were clearly drawing in the idea this backlog of cases and immigration state we're in is the result largely from Biden's term. I see no other real reason to include such a statement. It's been true for decades. > Do you want to call anyone one who is not the citizen illegal immigrant? Be my guest. Not what I'm suggesting in the slightest. Reread my statements to find out more. > What reality? Denying obvious facts. Incredible. Please inform yourself to the reality of today before engaging. I'm not going to continue engaging with people who can't see what's happening around them and denying clear facts. > in the beginning of Obama's administration Democrats controlled both the senate and the House, as well as the presidency. Was it Trump that prevented them from fixing the immigration system? Ah yes, the democrats had four years of control of the government since Obama was elected, they didn't completely solve immigration, therefore they're at fault for sending people to CECOT without due process. Makes total rational sense. I do blame most of the Democrats for not adequately solving things and running campaigns they seem like they're trying to lose (Beto telling Texans he's going to take away their guns, wtf?), but acting like they're doing the same things is denying reality. It's probably true most of both sides don't really want to fix the problem, but one is building prison camps and sending people to places like CECOT and one is making deferred actions. Quite different wouldn't you say? The Republicans have been in charge of Congress for most of the last 20+ years. Why haven't they passed meaningful immigration reform? It's not like Biden and Obama vetoed that many immigration bills. Once again, reconnect with reality again before you reply. Learn what the Trump administration is actually doing before you both-sidesing it more.